K D you can get them at Outdoor Emporium. You can also find Webster the producer at Seacrest Pier when the Kings are in Elliott Bay. He usally brings a few when he comes to fish and will sell from the trunk of his car, as he is not permitted to sell them on the Pier. I buy them a dozen at a time and get a better deal. They are about the same price as the PWD. They are a little lighter in weight than the PWD. They are a little flatter and flutter more on the drop than a PWD. They come in all the usual fishy colors. Tight lines!