F4b, I asked Gary about it at the very first meeting I attended at my former PSA chapter's "CCA Talk" meeting...he looked at me like he'd been poleaxed, and then a bunch of the folks in the room were appalled that someone would even question such a man, I mean, after all, he sure makes some good fishing rods! BTW, there was no response from him whatsoever about it.

The answer has repeatedly been the same...no one wants to hear the truth, they want to drink the Kool-Aid and believe. Nothing wrong with believing, but there is something wrong with being lied to, and what's worse, I think there's something even more wrong when folks like you let them lie to you and don't seem to be bothered by it.

My agenda is just what I've said it is...repeatedly... in spite of people purposely mischaracterizing it...

My agenda is for the improvement of fish stocks and fishing...period. It is a hard field to get into, and it takes a lot of time and hard work...and it takes credibility.

Telling lies hurts not only the CCA's already tenuous credibility, but it hurts the credibility of all the rest of us involved in sportfishing advocacy.

Integrity does matter.

I don't care if you don't think that, or don't care if our "sportfishing leader" is spreading lies, or if you don't care that most of the CCA membership doesn't seem to mind being lied to, either...I care, because it makes it harder to get what we need done.

It hurts fish, and it hurts fishing...

I offer that up as a positive element every single time you Kool-Aid drinkers who don't mind being lied to bring it up, like you are here...hold your leadership accountable, make them be truthful, or watch them get run out of the room by those who are making the decisions.

You can make up stories to sell $25 memberships...hell, you can make up stories to sell banquet tickets and get newspaper coverage, too...but you can't make up stories in court, nor can you do it at negotiating tables, without huring the very interest you are there to protect.

You're a CCA member...you tell him to stop lying. I already have, and it didn't change his tune one bit.

Make too much sense?

Fish on...

Todd