the 08 Abyss will not be released till mid Nov. i would suggest you guys do some research now on beer shops that carry obscure beers. specialty beer stores. or contact homebrew shops that also sell beer too. start putting your oders in now! beers like these are brewed according to requisted orders. sierra nevada's winter ale called "celebration". which by the is the BOMB! keep your eyes open for it. once the stores are out these kinds of beer thier done for the year. so if you find the Abyss buy as much as you can. buy the entire supply if you can afford it. i've heard of Abyss bottles on ebay for 75$ abottle.