Never made it out for the closer. I fell down the embankment last weekend while the dogs were chasing down a goose I shot (F'd my back up). In addition to that; one my dogs figured he would cut himself up on barb wire. He has a half dollar size chunk of skin (all layers) missing from his chest plus some deep scratches and nicks out of his back. He just would not stay on the side of the fence/fences as me. Back and forth about 14 times through new wire will eventualy bite .