sorry guys, I was vague. My shorthair is an awesome pet, but she hasn't been hunted. I have done all of the training myself, so I have realistic expectations for what she is going to do. I've done a lot of research, and I actually started a business so I could trap pigeons around home to train her. I realize that all the trainign in the world cannot completely prepare her for real, true to life birds. I am prepared to not shoot over her, ever, until she is steady through the shot. I guess what I am getting at is the next step for me and my dog is to try real birds. I do not expect her to be perfect, as I am no professional trainer. The whole reason I got her was to get the whole upland experience. I appreciate the incite, and hope that I didn't come off too optimistic. I'm taking it one step at a time, and the next step is wild birds.