i have 2 Sage GFL 7100 RP Graphite II's, one 10' the other 9', and they arent stiff at all... i believe these were one of the first rods Sage built starting in 81... im just not doing something right, i can roll cast them fine, but start swinging, and i start messing up... compared to the Lamis and Cortlands, Sage is by far the better fly rod in the inventory... just wish i could cast it better...