thanks to both of you for your kind offers. i'm likely to take you up on them in the not too distant future. i agree about the success factor in hitting moving targets, and the inherent inability to do so with the 'ol 410. my concern with the fixed breech 20 ga is that the recoil will be a bit much for her to handle this year. maybe if i found one that fit her perfectly? dunno. i don't reload, so factory ammo would the stuff she'd be shooting. we'd probably use it as a grouse gun and for hunting the pheasant release areas around here. i do agree that confidence goes a long way in sustaining interest, so i'm a bit torn. she also complains that the guns she's handled were "heavy", so that's a concern as well. we can't hunt if i have to carry 2 guns! kenmore range has kid's lessons from time to time, and i'm looking into that as well. they have loaner guns for her to try. thanks again.



willy