well its funny you guys say my 338 win mag is to gun for around here. opening weekend i shot a very nice buck out at vail walking the timber. i shot this buck from about forty yards. and did zero damage to this animal. and as far as shooting groups i can shoot a half inch group at two hundred yards with this gun. shooting 225 gr federal ammo. i do alot of hunting in oregon idaho and montana. and shoot very long ranges at elk bear and mule deer. thats why i shoot a 338 is for the knock down power this gun has.