i agree with theKING. i live in whidbey island the finding an older buck recquires a lot of scouting and hiking. the first buck i shot here was a 3x4 and about 4or5 yrs old. i heard of one taken around the greenbank area that weighed around 190 pound. i think the rack was a 4x5 or 5x5. 3 years ago a 6x6 was taken a few miles down the road from my house. in the past 3 seasons i have shot 3 2x2s and 2 does. this season i am after a buck i spotted last year the day before deer season. it was a 3x3 then. i found both of its sheds a few days ago near the property line. a trail camera seems to work very well for thick areas. i borrowed a friend, but only captured 2 spikes and a few does. all of the deer taken have all been within 70 yards with the closest at 15ft.