Every clear cut on the west side that I have walked this year is covered with sign, but I have only seen two does. I think that the big, old ones are there, but are just near impossible to find. I have seen just two real trophy black tails, one in a residential area during the rut,and another in the middle of 7 to 8 year old christmas trees. It had snowed 6 to 8 inches, then turned into a down pour when I walked up bow hunting on the one in the christmas trees. He was bedded down in some blackberries next to some christmas trees. I was 15 yards away or so and couldn't get a clear shot. All I could see was patches of a huge rack. As I tried to get a clear angle, he slipped away with out a sound. Without doing a push and getting real lucky, I think these boys just die of old age without ever being seen.