Bobs right on here. Its like this. If you take all the good looking people out of the human race you would have mutts like me doing all the breeding... what would that be like. So far nobodys bonked me on the head, and for that I am greatfull. Most of the data I have read suggests it takes 4 year fish to make 4 year fish. There have been 6 salt fish in the Skeena river basin, and you know what potential there is for a true monster up there. The true Idaho Clearwater B run... Which happens to be what the current Washington state record steelhead happened to be, is damn near gone. The hatchey fish just don't have the genes ( or seem to be getting weaker) But hell thats because of Dworshack dam and I have beat on that drum enough already..