Elm- (this is all in fun- seems to be a few oversensative types on this board).- "With no sign"? That was the problem- if you had put a sign on your hook telling the fish to "bite here", U might have hooked a bigger steelie than 8 inches. And what's w/ the Crockadile spoon? Are U feedin' Crocks in there?! (jk- I know; lame)