Salmo- Thanks for taking away some of my naievity concerning Treaties. What an unfortunate result our ancestors have spun for us. In so many ways more than just with Treaties. Slaves? Rediculous! But remember this is not just about challenging Treaties- it is about stopping abusive cheating for both Indians & all user groups. BTW, I agree that U are probably cynically near the ballpark with your 80%/20% (maybe closer to 50/50?). However, is that your "vicseral opinion" or just the "facts" as U understand it. Thanks again for the valuable insight.-- Backlash2, as I've mentioned, I agree about coming up with ways to creat verifiable watchdog group control of abuses.-- Brian, NICE TAKE! - Steve