Trophy Tackle's phone number is 1-360-435-8624 and lives in Bellevue WA. I have found some places have a very light gray, but white is more durable. Andy if you see this please email me the price list for your products. (see profile) Have heard of guides boondogging (sp?) the rag on the coastal rivers and doing quite well, and a friend uses them for bottom fishing. The possibilities are endless.