divers- with all due respect, I take a little exception to parts of your post, which is addressed back to me. I hope the last sentence of your 2nd paragraph is pointed toward other complaints-"Don't whine, rather....good ideas..."- & not my post. My whole post was one big idea to do something about a wrong situation! You also dis the throwing around of "facts", which you did quite a bit of w/o any reliable supporting evidence. That's why I suggested such as camcorders, long range lense cams, & wittness' legal affidavits for verifiable evidense on Treaty issue violations. Also, my Q back to Dick, & to you or anyone, still stands- why do you see no hope for change? I'm sure more BB readers than just me would like to hear a credible basis for that attitude (not saying you're wrong- just want to know the "facts").- Steve - P.S.- While I do have genuine care about the unfortunate situation for the sportfishermen of the Oly. Penn, thus my attempts to help out, I also have another motive in wanting credibale info. about this status quo- There are rumblings that Oregon's Siletz Indian Tribe will again attempt to gain exclusive Oregon coastal fishing rights with Treaties as their leverage. The sportfishermen in our area might benefit from your experiences up there in a potential fight for our rights. We could all help each other! Tight lines.

[This message has been edited by Backbouncer1 (edited 03-08-2000).]