And drifter, just 15 years ago when the broodstocking was going on, What was different back then, not many above. Some but not many. The PS rivers would still close. Did the fish not blow thru then?. Okay maybe then, nothing above the West fork if the water is below 2500cfs, plenty of vis down below, and starting to skinny up ontop. Same with the Nooch, nothing above WB when water at black creek is below 1800cfs, water up top starts getting skinny then. Sleds have been to the bottom of boulder garden this year when black creek was 1200cfs and save was at 800cfs. Awful skinny. I love the water down below, but go up top to get away from situations, now the situation are migrating. Not all are problems, but a few ruin it for all. But this also goes for, all boats with no etiquette, you have the whole river, let the bank anglers and anchored boats have the water they are fishing,