I notice that Ramstrong is from NW Ore. also- don't know him. Anyway, it's interesting that he also suggested heavier tackle for the Kings. I assume he likely fishes for fall Kings in the coastal rivers & around Tillamook as I do. When I see a couple of suggestions to use 6 or 8 lb. mono leaders for Kings it makes me currious. Is this the norm for clear water Fall Chinook salmon in the NW Wash. region (I assume in relatively snag free water)? In Tillamook, fishing the lower Wilson, Trask, Nestucca, & in most tidewater areas there are a lot of natural snags as well as other anchor lines to contend with when fishing 20 to 50 lb. (average 25 to 30#) fish fresh in from the ocean. The very lightest leaders the local guides ever use in those areas is 15#. However, in the deeper holes even when gin clear they successfully use 20 or 25# leader and those big hogs aren't usually leader shy, especially for moving lures. What size Kings are we talking about when using 6 to 8# leader for them and how snaggy is the water (silvers/coho are a diff. matter of course)? What % do you land big Kings on that light of leader? Do you notice a drop off in hookups using around 12# leader in real clear water? I've landed a few over 30# bright fall Kings on 8# Maxima leader, but the water was relatively clean where this occured and took a long time (don't try it anymore- not enough fish & want to get them in). No way for light leaders down lower on our coastal rivers. Would appreciate feedback on this for my tech studies. Thanks much. - Steve