You guys should really consider getting electric downriggers. When a fish hits you have your hands full clearing gear and watching boat traffic. Who needs to crank a 'rigger on top of all that? Scotty electrics are the top rig no question. I own Penn electrics (no longer available) Scottys and a Cannon (on different boats) and the Scottys are my favorite. Black Box YES ! Good Luck.

[This message has been edited by TJN (edited 06-25-2000).]