BWO1, the guy said they had a couple in the high twenties that they lost in the kelp. The few they got to the beach were in the low teens. One was his daughter's first.(She hated to let it go). As far as the winter blackmouth,(starting in Nov.) It is pretty good out there, but probably as good in Port Angeles. Sekiu has a pretty fun blackmouth derby around Feb. Don't see very many fish over 15 lbs. Probably average around 7 or 8 lbs. Personaly I fish steelhead all winter. Hope all this helps. Tight lines.