Hank, just because the government lies as it deems necessary to protect itself, not us, doesn't make Rich any less delusional if he believes his copy & paste post that begins this thread. If ever there were a poster case for the government doing something right, dealing with the Malhuer militia is it. Not saying it has been perfect, but rather, a job well done. Considering all the arms present, all the threats, veiled and direct, it could easily have been another Waco. Instead it ended with only one dead whackadoodle, no civilian or LE casualties. Not too shabby for the gov't. we love to criticize.