Good advice Native, I should know better than to even think about starting newbies out with extra gizmos tied to their line. Guess I'm just overly enthusiastic in trying to up the odds of someone catching something! That was my hestitation about including a heavy muddler in the box, the first time I tried tossing around one of those with my 5wt was indeed an exercise in frustration. I wasn't following basic wetfly fishing P&P (Pick & Plop).

STackler--no worries about your opinion on the OW, I understand completely.

flygirl