So where are your better solutions? Telecommuting(already here and won't ever work for mfg. etc)
Mass transit(already here and only carry 5% best case)
Population control(strangely the only idea to get more than one mention)

Your better solution have not worked anywhere they have been tried(I will concede that telecommuting has a long way to go and should be encouraged when possible). Mine have always worked everywhere they have been tried.

The reason I group you together is because you are expousing leftist ideas that have been tried and proven to be failures over and over throughout history. And yes, if we can avoid using 250 million gallons of fuel in the puget sound each year it will do more for fish and wildlife than any other single solution proposed when acid rain and petroleum waste are considered in conjunction with noxious emissions. Just the resultant absence of tankers in the sound bodes well for fish considering the record of tankers. And doing that would not require paving the entire state just key thoroughfares in the sound area.

Also, I didn't say I agreed with the prevailing wage (davis-bacon) laws, just that they existed. And if road and housing construction were to stop in the puget sound people would, in fact, be out of work. I was merely pointing to the hypocrisy of your side for not fighting for all of the working families of this state. Or does that term only apply to left approved work.

In order to solve a problem one must only present it to private industry along with a profit motive and things will change. Case in point the timber industry. When faced with extinction in the NW they quickly changed their ways of doing things and are now profitable and arguably the most knowledgable people regarding forestry and wildlife habitat. If you would prefer to ride the bus then move closer to a bus stop. You won't do that because those on the left prefer to change the way others live through legislation as opposed to setting an example for others to emulate. Yet another reason you have been fairly categorized by me. Why can't those on the left be proud to be there??? You rarely hear us "right wingers" denying our bent but by the same token you rarely hear those on the left admit it (words like moderate and open-minded are often used). In conjunction with being open minded one must also be discerning. I have looked at all of the options and simply prefer the one proven to work. I learned long ago that good intentions never fixed anything. If you truly think your way is better you would proclaim your ideology in every forum as I do. I doubt that will ever happen either as the vast majority of lefties know they're wrong but their position feels better than reality and that is all that seems to matter. Someday I hope you all will have the courage to recognize and face the truth. Until then...good day.