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#1005658 - 03/18/19 11:09 AM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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yes wasnt bad at all except for the little mishap... really cool place, im glad i stuck with the plan and figured it out... i was told by multiple people that it was military only, no civilians, but everyone at the range said that was wrong....

let me know when you plan on going out, id like to stretch the reach a little further, if its alright of course....

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#1005755 - 03/20/19 03:57 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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got the Hogue grip today from Quantico, they were the only place i could find it at around here... feels great... should have paid attention tho...

they have the Hogue grip that i bought for 26 bucks, and the butt as well, which is basically just like the MagPul i have, but coated on top with rubber...

butt was 55 bucks, butt and grip was 55 bucks smh...

oh well...

also looked at triggers, but im not trying to spend 300 bucks on a Geissele trigger... and i likely would only lose about a pound, maybe a pound and a half... ill continue shooting this as is and get everything broken in and then see what i want to do...

not sure if im going to buy an upper, or just buy another rifle... the Stag 15 and Savage MSR 15 are both around 1k, but i can tell 100 percent i wont be a fan of the MSR butt, the Stag uses the MagPul PRS stock on it already.... i could always get a PSA upper, then an Aero lower, i can get the lowers for like 250 and the upper for 400 ish...

at some point i would like to get either the Remingon PCR, the Ruger RPR, or a Savage BA Stealth in 6.5 Creed... ill have to decide what i want to do first obviously..

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#1005822 - 03/23/19 07:13 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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yesterday was fun.. and interesting...

there was only like 6 or 7 of us there, couple guys at a couple lanes, and 1 fully dressed guy at the far end...

one guy had a belt fed upper, wasnt working right either.. he paid 4k dollars for just the upper... was cool but hey, if it dont work right..................

he then came down by me (im liking the far left rifle slot, puts me in line with the 300 yard plate), and i saw that he had a Canik Elite... i knew right off the bat what it was because a pawn shop here sells new guns, and they want 700 dollars for it... they are made by Century Arms which im not a huge fan of, mainly because their AK's suck accuracy wise, but then again, all of them do unless you get into the Vepr and Drag rifles, PSL ect....

he asked if i wanted to shoot it, sure... pretty nice actually, i was impressed... nice sights, trigger gotta get used to but not bad overall...

he ended up giving me around 100-120 rounds of 9mm ammo ( i dont own a 9mm, yet), but i think it might be personal reloads, everything looks the same, except the case stamps... he did also give away to another guy about 100 rounds of the Remington Bucket range rounds...

that guy, ( the one he gave the rounds to), was really cool, so was his buddy... he, looked like a crab, my brother is 6'2 ish 250 pounds and has arms the size of your leg.. this dude was 1 inch shorter than me, and had bigger arms rofl

very informative guy and was really nice.. he had a FN Special Police Rifle in .308 that was pretty sick, had a Nightforce 6-24 on it, slick setup for sure... he also had 2 other AR's one that had a sup on it in .300 BLK that was cool for sure... suppressor was 1600 dollars by itself tho so im good (surefire suppressor)... very very good accuracy for what he was shooting... he also had a PSA AR, with a Primary Arms 6X tac scope, said he wanted to build a sub MOA rifle for under a grand, which he did...

i was thinking all the night before i should have brought my pistol, but i didnt... oh well...

he then came down next to me to shoot his pistols, on both sides he was running is chronograph, the thing was COOL... not your standard chrono, it was a radar chrono, which i guess is a lot better....

the older RSO also brought out his Glock 21C... ive shot 20's and 21's but never the comp models... WOW, i want one, and im going to get one...

went back to shooting the AR, and his buddy came down with a brand new MagPul 30 rounder, asked me to run it through my rifle to see if it would feed, it wouldnt in his... bang bang bang bang bang, yeah its fine... "keep it"...

at one point, me and the body builder, were trading shots on the 300 yard target plate.. saw him shoot my plate when i was getting ready... was fun for sure...

what i didnt expect, as i have run alot of .223/5.56 rounds in my life, but never at any distance, was WIND... we had a gust that came through that was probably 40 MPH.. blew my case off the table, garbage can off the platform, the guys chronograph went flying, was crazy...

i missed a few more than i wanted, but rifle shot great again... i was only missing by a tad so im not super upset, it was like a 15 MPH crosswind or in that range... managed to push it to about 370 and when the wind died down, it was hitting good at that distance as well...

i talked with him about the 6.5 Creed, said i wanted either the PCR, RPR or the Savage, he has a Savage, and says its a nice rifle, but if he were to do it again, he would do the RPR...

so im going to start looking at those at some point, but first, the .224... PSA is now out of the uppers, but they are selling full rifles for 650... probably just going to go that route...

if you havent been there, go to that range... follow the rules, as you are on base (like NO CONCEALED CARRY WHATSOEVER), and you will have nothing but fun... im not even kidding...

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#1005830 - 03/24/19 07:19 AM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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Budget trigger mods...

The trigger screw.
It tips the trigger and changes the sear geometry.
Be vewwy careful with this mod. You don't want to Darwin yourself or someone else.
You can also use a 1/4-28 x 1/4" set screw to do the same thing.
Your grip screw bore needs to be drilled and tapped all the way through.
(most are)
https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/JoeBob-s-AR15-Grip-Screw-Trigger-Adjuster-p/jb-triggeradjuster.htm

The JP spring kit.
Combined with the trigger screw, this will yield a pretty decent trigger.
May not ignite crap hard cup Russian ammo.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100336...b-reduced-power



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#1005837 - 03/24/19 11:00 AM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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Be patient, save your money, and ask for a G SSA trigger for a couple hun, and call it good.
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- "Wild steelhead were more numerous this year than they were in the 1970s" ( ITYOOL - 2015 )

- "It's past the time to "play nice", after all, they are pooching us royally."

D'uh!

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#1005847 - 03/24/19 01:50 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Myassisdragon]
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Originally Posted By: Myassisdragon
Be patient, save your money, and ask for a G SSA trigger for a couple hun, and call it good.



Or a G2S for about $125 when they go on sale.
But Evo already said that he doesn't want to throw down for a G trigger, hence the Budget Trigger posted above.
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#1005857 - 03/24/19 04:28 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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im not opposed to it per say, but i dont want to spend upwards of 300 bucks if im only going to get like 1 pound lighter... not sure how much of a difference 4.5 to 3.5 would make...

this one already has a Ruger 452 Elite trigger, not your standard mil spec trigger

https://ruger.com/micros/AR-Trigger/index.html

now when i get the Valkyrie, ill likely definitely be getting a upgraded trigger, but i will again want it around the 2 pound mark if thats doable...

so are you guys Geissele guys? ive got zero experience with them... i do have experience with Timney, and they are around the same price as well...

also, the big dude there had a flat bladed trigger, i forget the brand, he said was around 150 bucks, but how do you guys feel about flat blades for long range use? Timney makes one i have looked at for the 700 that has a red rocker switch type thing on it, i think its on the Calvin Elite, that has interested me for a while... just never "pulled it" to get one...

the last thing i want to do is buy something i wont like...

ill take a look at some Geissele triggers the next time i go to Quantico, or maybe the range next weekend...

thanks again for that scope Scott, its has been nothing but excellent using it... illumination gets washed out completely at that range, its all light brownish sand/dirt, so the sun reflects off it alot, but thats OK, its not a absolute requirement for me...

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#1005858 - 03/24/19 04:30 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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yeah this is the one i was looking at for the 700... im going to buy a chassis for it at some point i think...

https://timneytriggers.com/calvin-elite-custom-remington-model-700/

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#1005859 - 03/24/19 04:33 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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they do make one for the AR, looks like its a 1.5 pound pull weight... its 300 bucks tho...


https://timneytriggers.com/ar-calvin-elite-single-stage-drop-in/#description

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#1005862 - 03/24/19 05:13 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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Originally Posted By: Evo


this one already has a Ruger 452 Elite trigger, not your standard mil spec trigger


That is why the trigger mod above might be worth a look.
Enhance what you already have.

Brownells just put a couple of Geiselles on sale FWIW. $135
https://gun.deals/product/geissele-rapid-fire-trigger-b-grf-17699

Not a fan of the drop-in cassettes like the Timney.
Most can't self-retain the trigger pins and require fasteners (dog bones, button heads or E/C-clips) on the outside of your receiver. They don't tell you that.
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#1005865 - 03/24/19 05:51 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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screw it...

ordered the B-G2S-E... 148.47 out the door...

i suppose i could sell the Ruger trigger for a hundred or so... or, if the PSA rifle has a sh!t trigger, i can put it in that, although, like i said, i want a lighter trigger for long stuff... the Geissele says the second stage breaks at 1.2 pounds, which is exactly what im looking for....

says i should have it by next Monday...

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#1005866 - 03/24/19 05:51 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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thanks DD..

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#1005918 - 03/25/19 02:49 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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impressive...

shipped this morning, should be here by Friday at the latest they say....

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#1005941 - 03/25/19 05:25 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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Watch the Geiselle trigger install video by Bill Geiselle (20 min video).
And never let an AR hammer fall against the magwell.
"Catch" the hammer when testing the trigger.
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#1005944 - 03/25/19 06:03 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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funny you said that... i kinda figured you didnt want to do that, but i was at a store ill leave un named, and was looking at the triggers, and the guy pulled a lower off with a trigger in it, and multiple times pulled the trigger and it slammed forward.... kinda cringed each time he did it, figured it was bad for it...

ill check that video out, i did watch this one, which is pretty straight forward... i just noticed in the comments tho, someone said that the trigger pin looked wobbly, and another guy responded saying he wouldnt be surprised if it broke...

another guy said he should have gotten anti walk pins...

should i order them?


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#1005946 - 03/25/19 06:06 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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nevermind, i see another person said that Bill says not to use aftermarket pins, and that a little play is normal...

he said the guys lower is likely out of spec, and should be sent back...

the guy himself says that hes ran it for 9 months (as of the comment) and has had zero issues... no pins falling out ect... someone said their pins fell out at the range...

it doesnt look that difficult, but im almost tempted to just pay someone to do it... cant cost me more than 20 bucks...

hell, Quantico may do it for free like they did with my grip....

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#1005968 - 03/25/19 11:53 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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1) Beware of goofball Youtube videos.
Sounds like the one you posted is one of those.

2) Anti-walk pins are to separate fools from their money

3) Do the install yourself


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#1006236 - 03/29/19 05:36 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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was at the range today, trigger came when i was there rofl

all i gotta say, is you fvckers just ruined me...

WOW...

easy to install, everything functions great, the trigger is PHENOMENAL...

there is a marked difference in the break... the Ruger trigger is very nice, but this one blows it out of the water by far...

definitely going to have to get used to that break, super light, but i like that....

one thing i noticed between the 2, is the disconnect is part of the Ruger trigger, where as the Geissele is 2 parts... took me a second to figure out why i couldnt get the pin through...

everything is oiled and functioning flawless, safety works, hammer drops, everything is tits....

thanks Scott and DD for talking me into the G triggers, now im going to have to get them for everything rofl

thanks again guys, cant wait to shoot it...

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#1006238 - 03/29/19 05:49 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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#1006241 - 03/29/19 06:36 PM Re: AR 556 MPR [Re: Evo]
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this was the first 5 rounds of the day (i only load 5 to 1, be respectful i guess, and 2, not burn through 80 dollars worth of ammo in 15 minutes)...

i did miss twice, but i kinda rush myself sometimes, and i need to work on that... i also am not in the best position, the bench seats are low, so i have to sit on my left foot to get me in the position i want to be in sight line wise...

not sure if im pulling shots, or missing because im rushing and not letting the plate stop swinging...

regardless, this trigger will help with both of that, i know what happened with my 10/22 when i put the trigger in that, so this wont be, or shouldnt be, any different...

i think these were the 55 gr MagTech ammo, and ive actually been shooting the Aguila 62 grainers with a lot more consistency... last 15-20 rounds of the day i hit each time....

think i just need to calm down and pace myself better, AR's for me, like with AK's tend to speed things up, and shooting at distance, thats not the wisest choice....

oh, i didnt realize till after i recorded, that i was focusing on the 100 or 150 yard berm, im still figuring out the new camera, and dont want to use auto focus and have it go in and out of focus, so i did a manual job, tripod is 2 feet tall and on the ground under the bench, so its kinda tough to see the screen comfortably... ill get it better next time....





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