#1009794 - 06/03/19 10:30 PM
WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED
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Loc: Graham, WA
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WDFW REFUSES TO TURN OVER PUBLIC RECORDS TO THE TWIN HARBORS FISH AND WILDLIFE ATTORNEY, RESULTING IN RULES COORDINATOR SCOTT BIRD BEING SUBPOENAED.
READ THE LATEST UPDATE: CLICK HERE Make sure and read the letter that THFWA Attorney sent to WDFW lawyer Grossmann
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#1009813 - 06/04/19 07:43 AM
Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED
[Re: Bay wolf]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/06/14
Posts: 263
Loc: Tumwater
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I think we're about to see if WDFW is above the law. It sure doesn't look good for the "new" WDFW Director, does it? Doesn't look good for the AG who wants to become Governor either.
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#1009816 - 06/04/19 08:46 AM
Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED
[Re: Bay wolf]
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
Registered: 01/27/15
Posts: 4549
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Nothing to see here. Just move along and collect your pension.
Such BS.
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#1009819 - 06/04/19 09:01 AM
Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED
[Re: Bay wolf]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
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Tug, you've left out the WDFW Commissioners who fired Director Unsworth and hired Director Susewind and who ostensibly provide guidance on policy matters to the Director for his implementation. So, the question I have is whether AAG Grossman has been actively engaged with the Commission and whether the actions by WDFW personnel are consistent with recommendations by AAG Grossman as blessed by the Commission? If the answers are YES then the Commission is a part of the problem and Salmo's rhetorical question needs to be seriously considered. If the answers are NO then it is incumbent upon the Commission to hit the RESET button and fulfill its responsibility and do so quickly. If they can not or will not step up then Salmo's question comes into play. As of this morning there is still no agenda posted for the 14-15 June Commission meeting in Port Angeles: https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2019. Part of the solution or part of the problem?? Crisis of confidence in the offing!!
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#1009823 - 06/04/19 11:26 AM
Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED
[Re: Larry B]
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Loc: Tumwater
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Larry and Salmo,
We (citizens) politically supported the WDFW Commission structure after combining WDF and WDW in the mid 90's. Good concept, but overall hasn't worked worth a darn. The Commission is insulating the agency, not directing it by good policies. The staff hasn't been held accountable, or has it? I agree that Salmo's question/suggestion to consider abolishing the structure of WDFW. Too many leaders of organizations have continued to wring their collective hands when faced with any possibility of the Commission structure being abolished. Well, where has it gotten us? I think it's about as bad as it gets. Incredibly poor service. Incredibly poor biology in fisheries management. An arrogant staff that thinks they're above the law, and an agency attitude of "We'll get even with you for disagreeing with us.".
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#1010540 - 06/16/19 05:04 PM
Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED
[Re: Carcassman]
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Carcass
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 2432
Loc: Valencia, Negros Oriental, Phi...
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I like the idea of the Commissioners being elected, but I think the Director should be appointed by the Commissioners. There is already so much politics involved in our Fisheries, having a Director being elected would just make it worse, IMHO.
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#1010544 - 06/16/19 07:03 PM
Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED
[Re: eddie]
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Have to disagree with you, Eddie. What you suggest is too near the situation we have now. Let's elect the Director and the Commission, but shrink the Commission to a manageable size.
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#1010546 - 06/17/19 05:15 AM
Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED
[Re: Bay wolf]
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Carcass
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 2432
Loc: Valencia, Negros Oriental, Phi...
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Tug, my biggest concern is that the electorate will have no real clue of the complexities of the issues facing salmon and all the other critters that WDFW has jurisdiction over. Therefore we will end up with the one that "sounds" best or "looks" best.
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#1010547 - 06/17/19 07:13 AM
Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED
[Re: Bay wolf]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 07/11/04
Posts: 3113
Loc: Bothell, Wa
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If they were all elected offices who would give the most money to the campaigns? The cowboys, the indians, the processors or the buyers/sellers?
Sure as hell wouldn’t be those holding fishing licenses!
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#1010548 - 06/17/19 07:26 AM
Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED
[Re: BroodBuster]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/06/14
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Loc: Tumwater
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Guys,
I'm an idealist, I guess. You're likely right about the financial contributions, etc,, but I'm looking at our present situation at WDFW and it is worse than bad. With an election we could still vote them in or out of office. As an example the Department of Natural Resources has an elected head, and she was not elected by the timber industry.
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#1010551 - 06/17/19 07:45 AM
Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED
[Re: Bay wolf]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 3020
Loc: University Place and Whidbey I...
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I, too, am appalled by recent seemingly irrational decisions by the WDFW Commission. That said, I am also more than old enough to remember why the current Commission format was established and how that occurred.
It is my opinion that there is no perfect system and that the current problems are more with some of the people appointed to the Commission than with the format itself.
By the way weren't we to have had a new Commissioner appointed by that guy (too busy) running for President some time in January?
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It's the person who has done nothing who is sure nothing can be done. (Ewing)
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