#1011939 - 07/19/19 10:53 AM
Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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#1011943 - 07/19/19 11:43 AM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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King of the Beach
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Ridiculous fine and good for him not paying it. What’s next....fining anglers for feeding seals or sea lions that steal and eat a fish off the end of their fishing line? SF
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#1011954 - 07/19/19 01:49 PM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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Spawner
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Kind of a ridiculous fine...
But then again so is a grown man not calling out the law enforcement, and rather deciding to wage a war saying that ALL of NOAA should be abolished. Real mature, and a great way to get the conversation started in your favor 😉
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#1011956 - 07/19/19 02:14 PM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
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Thing is, you can actually get him on a Clean Water Act violation. You can't put biological materials into the water. Can't clean fish into the water. Found this out when we (WDF) were in technical violation of the CWA when we gaffed a salmon, spawned it, and then put the carcass back. USFS actually made WDF landfill them. In order to do the carcass returns we had to go through the SEPA approval process, which we did.
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#1011962 - 07/19/19 03:48 PM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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River Nutrients
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Thing is, you can actually get him on a Clean Water Act violation. You can't put biological materials into the water. Can't clean fish into the water. Found this out when we (WDF) were in technical violation of the CWA when we gaffed a salmon, spawned it, and then put the carcass back. USFS actually made WDF landfill them. In order to do the carcass returns we had to go through the SEPA approval process, which we did. I would hope that most people could realize that "getting someone on the Clean Water Act" would be less of a waste of taxpayers funds than having totally unproductive inter-agency squabbles that only serve to please some bureaucrat that is trying to protect his/her fiefdom.
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#1011971 - 07/19/19 05:41 PM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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Parr
Registered: 04/01/15
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King 5 did a story last summer about the lummi tribe catching chinook to toss at the orcas. Slightly different angle in that piece.
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#1011974 - 07/19/19 09:49 PM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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~B-F-D~
Registered: 03/27/09
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Thing is, you can actually get him on a Clean Water Act violation. You can't put biological materials into the water. Can't clean fish into the water. Found this out when we (WDF) were in technical violation of the CWA when we gaffed a salmon, spawned it, and then put the carcass back. USFS actually made WDF landfill them. In order to do the carcass returns we had to go through the SEPA approval process, which we did. Dang should all be punished for feeding crabs old carcasses and carcass residue that escapes crab traps? Where is the line?
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#1011975 - 07/20/19 06:33 AM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
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Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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Dumping the pot bait after fishing is probably a violation. Having it fall out during fishing, probably not. Not saying it takes sense, but that was the law as explained to us.
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#1011976 - 07/20/19 07:36 AM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/06/14
Posts: 268
Loc: Tumwater
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All I can say is that the moron that issued the infraction to T. J. needs more than counseling.
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#1011979 - 07/20/19 09:12 AM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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River Nutrients
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Well I was told that DOE made old WDF stream surveyors toss the carcasses up on the bank so they did not pollute the stream. Heavens DNR even required timber harvesters to remove woody debris in some streams even though it was natural. One thing about a post back a bit. Years ago DOE forced a commercial pan size salmon grower out of business. She was using net pens in a private lake than was a former gravel pit. Thing is she could not afford lawyers to fight back. DOE will always zero in on those who cannot afford large legal expenses and seldom challenge those who have deep pockets.
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#1011982 - 07/20/19 10:55 AM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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Lord of the Chums
Registered: 03/29/14
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pretty soon they will come after people that throw fish eggs covered in dye and cures....
and people that drag herring they just caught and put it on a rig and troll it through the same water that they caught it from...
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#1011987 - 07/20/19 03:29 PM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/26/12
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What Nelson did was dumb. But he did it without much thought and probably not much more heinous then what many of us have done. The difference is he did it while filming a news spot and had his face in everyone’s living room. Some people got hot and started raising hell. Unfortunately for Tom, he decided to use this to make a point. I’m sure that those who listen to his radio show will get an earful about this and the issues of seals eating Chinook, but he’s preaching to the choir. We all know seals are a problem. Ol Tom might think he’s making a point, but having broke the law by feeding salmon scraps to a seal, and then pointing out how seals are eating salmon seems counterintuitive.
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#1011989 - 07/20/19 05:28 PM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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Fry
Registered: 06/27/12
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So I guess feeding a rockfish to eagles is a no no also?
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#1012004 - 07/21/19 10:37 AM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/06/14
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Loc: Tumwater
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Not that I'm a legal expert (anymore), this old retired fishcop thinks that the definition of a "Take" requires that the fish that TJ fed the seal was wild, and covered under ESA. Obviously just any old salmon taken under legal conditions and seasons, which I'm sure Tom did, does not amount to a "Take". If there are other issues regarding feeding the sea lion, I don't know much about them. (And don't care)Maybe I'm also guilty of this infraction (not a crime) when I lost two big kings right at the side of my boat near Astoria. The salmon were under my control, almost. Maybe if I'd been more aggressive I could have netted them.
My friend, Riverguy, brings up points about overzealous bureaucrats like DOE not following the intent of the rules, but interpreting them in a way to bolster a personal view. Reminds me of when a few of us law enforcement types at a road block were huddled around a burning barrel late at night in Kid Valley in April trying to stay warm just before St' Helens erupted. DOE employee insisted that we put it out due to burn ban. Just a few miles up the road the mountain is belching sulfur fumes in huge quantities. Ridiculous. I could go on and on.
Years ago WDF pulled large woody debris from the streams, and straightened out meanders. Now we put debris in. We couldn't clean our fish in the rivers, now we do nutrient enhancement. I hope our leaders get more stuff figured out while I'm still alive, and I'm in the Home Stretch of life now.
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#1012005 - 07/21/19 11:06 AM
Re: Looks like Tommy's in trouble with the feds.
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/25/01
Posts: 2844
Loc: Marysville
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Tug- I believe that the potential "take" may have been under the Marine Mammal Protection Act (MMPA). I have not dug into the MMPA in sometime but seem to recall that feeding or attempting to feed a protected marine mammal was one of the activities that were considered a "take" under the act. The rationale maybe that such feeding may alter the behavior of the animal.
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#1012006 - 07/21/19 11:12 AM
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Lord of the Chums
Registered: 03/29/14
Posts: 6829
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the government was throwing antibiotic filled salmon out of a boat to feed the Orcas not that long ago...
are they going to get in trouble?
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