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#1014569 - 09/29/19 04:57 PM Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19
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#1014589 - 09/30/19 10:15 AM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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Scott Bird's resignation as reported in the above link is interesting insofar as he is an attorney and lying under oath could jeopardize his professional standing in WA.
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#1014591 - 09/30/19 10:40 AM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Larry B]
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Originally Posted By: Larry B
Scott Bird's resignation as reported in the above link is interesting insofar as he is an attorney and lying under oath could jeopardize his professional standing in WA.


True...not to mention it's perjury.

Did not know he is an attorney. It will be very interesting to see if AAG Mike Grossman is at the deposition, or perhaps Scott is representing himself now?!

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#1014623 - 09/30/19 08:57 PM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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Grossman woild probably be there just to see what was said as he will have to defend WDFW. An interesting piece would be if he represents Bird in any way if he is no longer a State Employee.

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#1014626 - 09/30/19 09:31 PM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Carcassman]
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
Grossman woild probably be there just to see what was said as he will have to defend WDFW. An interesting piece would be if he represents Bird in any way if he is no longer a State Employee.


What would also be interesting is if Grossman has standing to be at a deposition if Bird is no longer an employee of WDFW. However, Grossman would no doubt have access to the results of the deposition under the rules of discovery.
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#1014633 - 10/01/19 07:02 AM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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My feeling is that Bird is a minnow in this circus. Resignation may allow him to name the toads.

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#1014641 - 10/01/19 08:15 AM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Carcassman]
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
My feeling is that Bird is a minnow in this circus. Resignation may allow him to name the toads.


Very much on point - where does the buck stop?
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#1014650 - 10/01/19 11:02 AM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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That would make an interesting pool, Larry.

The Gov's Office is, I believe, the ultimate Big Toad. But, this has been going on fro decades so Inslee is not really any worse than many predecessors. Within WDFW, I dunno. Certainly Phil, when he was there, is in the mix. I don't think that folks even at Warren's level are the actual instigators; just the implementers.

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#1014663 - 10/01/19 01:02 PM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Carcassman]
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
That would make an interesting pool, Larry.

The Gov's Office is, I believe, the ultimate Big Toad. But, this has been going on fro decades so Inslee is not really any worse than many predecessors. Within WDFW, I dunno. Certainly Phil, when he was there, is in the mix. I don't think that folks even at Warren's level are the actual instigators; just the implementers.


My thoughts as well hence my having used a version of "the buck stops here" Presidential quote. In short, at the top.

Now, how far will this lawsuit and its discovery process peel the bureaucratic onion?
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#1014678 - 10/01/19 02:55 PM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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What are these cats accussed of?

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#1014684 - 10/01/19 03:58 PM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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Originally Posted By: WDFW X 1 = 0
What are these cats accussed of?


Update to: http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1009794/WDFW_LAWSUIT:_RULES_COORD._SCO.html#Post1009794.
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#1015066 - 10/09/19 06:17 AM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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How'd it go?

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#1015786 - 10/16/19 06:30 AM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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So it's been a couple weeks. I haven't received any update via email but maybe I missed it. Any info on the depositions? After making a couple of contributions towards this I hope it doesn't stall out...
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#1016430 - 10/31/19 06:10 AM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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Okay. A new update is out. The fight continues.
http://thfwa.org/legal-issues
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#1016440 - 10/31/19 11:13 AM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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So the former WDFW Rules Coordinator was simply a paper shuffler??? AKA the Sgt. Shultz defense.......
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#1016449 - 10/31/19 04:43 PM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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Right. So a couple of things stick out to me:
Mr. Bird confirmed he did not know how or where a member of the public could find a complete record of the NOF process.
Is there even a record?

The actual seasons laid out in the forms were determined by a team within WDFW that included over 85 individuals.
OMG! Is that like 5 or 8 guys per season?
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#1016454 - 10/31/19 07:31 PM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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It's closer to 85 per year.

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#1016459 - 11/01/19 08:52 AM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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Let me see if I've got this straight. It takes over 85 individuals to write the rules that the tribes demand in meetings of which there are no public records of.

You can't make this stuff up!
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#1016461 - 11/01/19 10:11 AM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: _WW_]
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"The team of 85" probably refers to the technical staff who develop the forecasts and do the fishery modeling along with the policy folks that participate in the annual discussions that eventually produce the seasons that converted to the regulation rules.

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#1016464 - 11/01/19 11:26 AM Re: Former WDFW Employee Video Deposition 9/30/19 [Re: Bay wolf]
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And each one of those technical folks knows how the regs for their particular waters must be written.

It is not easy to actually write a regulation that does what you intend it to do.

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