Shock and awe ?

Prearranged via back channels. This was their 'face saving out' and was purposely designed to de-escalate. Iran blinked.

Good.

Let's see if Fatso is smart enough to follow suit.

They made sure no American's would fall victims in this attack. Trump's red line in the sand is not Barack's red line in the sand. Believe that.

A Ukrainian Boeing 737-800 carrying 180 passengers and crew just crashed near an airport in Tehran. No word yet in casualties.

One has to wonder...

737 with 180 people crashed in Iran. Either terrorist attack or Iran themselves acidentally shot it down.


https://mobile.twitter.com/alihashem_tv/status/1214756252749877250

Purported Vid of crash, showing flames as it falls.

Damn.

Are you sure it wasn't a 737 MAX?

Hearing reports that all 170 passengers are dead.

Iranian SAM site took it down shortly after takeoff. Who in their right minds would allow commercial flights in that airspace right now? Idiots.

1500+ dead protesters, a crispy fried general, crushed mourners, earthquakes at nuke sites, downed airliners and Trump. Iran isn't having the best start to 2020. They should probably just chill out for bit. Maybe stay in bed or something wise like that.

Besides Pompeo gargling out that when Trump said he wanted to target cultural sites that Trump didn't say he wanted to target cultural sites, my favorite of the day so far is Lt. Col. Felony North complaining that Iran used SAMs...just like the SAMs that he illegally sold to Iran himself.

Fish on...

Todd

I hear they paid cash for the Sam's.
Thanks O'Dumbass!!!

Ding,ding,ding,ding. Trump's ratings will soar.

Why has Ollie North not been hanged?

Just another convicted/pardoned traitor/fakeass republican hero.

so, are we still defending and justifying the life of a terrorist because it was Trump that took him out? Asking for a friend...

So were you born retarded or was there a traumatic brain injury somewhere along the line?

It's a fair question. Seems clear he was not a "good guy." I'm not sure we're any safer, but in principle, I'm glad that dude is dead.

So far, the attacks in this escalated sabre rattling (on both sides) have been planned and executed to cause as few human casualties as possible. So far, the score is one dead contractor for one dead general.

Trump just made an (almost) honest claim that the US has achieved energy independence. Add that to our newfound "safety" in the wake of Soulemani's assassination, and you've got a weak, but somewhat plausible argument that it's time to pull our troops out of Iraq. Didn't someone make a campaign promise about something like that? Doesn't that same someone have a re-election campaign running at the moment?

If you throw out the concern that Putin will simply move in where we vacate (which is real and significant), I'm all for pulling out of the Middle East. It's a really complicated mess, though, and I doubt anyone here will live to see the end of our presence there.

Anyone else think this is all part of a plan?

Trump should just drone strike every bad person on the planet and then we would have world peace. It is as simple as that demotards. MAGA KAGA FAGA.

Probably neither. It’s a fair question to ask. It sounds as if Soleimani wasn’t a particularly great guy. But one also has to consider the extensive degree of our foreign intervention during the last 30-50 years how that escalated tensions, and to what degree was induced by our country’s insistence on being in a place we have no business being.

What is also a fair question to ask is how far down your throat can you shove the Democratic cock? You are a partisan hack with a permanent stain on your chin who cannot take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

Ya' know, I'm probably not the best read person around, but I had never even heard of Soleimani before Trump had him killed. If he was the baddest azz terrorist in the world and was being targeted by US military for years, I'm surprised that I don't recall ever reading or hearing about him before he was dead. If Soleimani was the person responsible for the attack where the American contractor was killed, then most any [Bleeeeep!]-for-tat response by the US is justified, whether it's Trump or someone else. It's just that everything Trump does is suspect because he's the most un-fit person ever to serve as US president. That, and he's known to be a pathalogical liar who lies. And then lies again. So yeah, everything Trump says and does must be carefully filtered for truth. Hope this helps your friend.

Ya' know, that just makes so much sense on the surface of it, that is. Problem is twofold: First, you have the unstable genius deciding who is bad; and second, there are more bad people in the world than there are drones and missiles. Ooh! More industry and jobs!

Like everything, the truth about the attack, it need to have been done and effectiveness may take years to be understood. I, for one, hope I don't know all the evidence. I hope there is more going on then the public knows. If not, our intelligence, and probably its effectiveness is junk.
Take the withdrawal from Turkey. Everyone was freaking out. But just a few days later we found the location of a ISIS leader in the region and took him out with a drone attack. During the withdrawal, there were a bunch of ISIS fighters that supposedly escaped. Are the incidents related? I don't know, neither should I. What we see is not alway what is going on in real life. My own father was manipulated by the US in Europe in his 20's and did not realize what had actually happened until he was in his late 60's. Still did not know the extent when he died, just that they had used him, and then orchestrated his leaving Europe.

In any case, why is are we not hearing about Turkey anymore?
Did Iran actually shoot down the airliner by mistake?
My guess is that this too, will be blown over within the week. Mainly because I think Iran did shoot down the airliner by mistake. And we have the proof. That brings up the question of how Iran made the mistake. Did we compromise their computers or radar system? Anything is possible, and all the idiots here and else where making claims they know the whole story are just, well.... idiots.

"What is also a fair question to ask is how far down your throat can you shove the Democratic cock? You are a partisan hack with a permanent stain on your chin who cannot take a step back and look at the bigger picture."

LOL

Whether Soleimani is a 'bad hombre' or not isn't particularly relevant...it's both not legal, nor always a great idea to just go around killing people, even bad people.

If that is your standard, then you are a fuckin idiot.

The question is whether or not it was legal, and whether or not it was a good idea so far as national security goes.

There are an awful lot of people yammering about how all the intelligence proves he was a terrible guy and was planning on attacking the US and US interests...they are the same people who claimed that the intelligence community was lying, corrupt, and part of the "deep state" when the were contradicting Trump's claims about Russia and Ukraine.

You can't have it both ways...well, maybe you can, if you are a hypocrite.

Fish on...

Todd

I would rather be a fukking idiot than a virgin idiot.

Just because both of your dad's are retarded doesn't mean other people are.

Just keep watching Trump Drunk Dear Leader TV, you'll be dumber than a stump in no time.

Would you please quit insulting stumps?

I don't think Illahee would insult stumps after being broke on one.

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