Check

 

Defiance Boats!

LURECHARGE!

THE PP OUTDOOR FORUMS

Kast Gear!

Power Pro Shimano Reels G Loomis Rods

  Willie boats! Puffballs!

 

Three Rivers Marine

 

 
Page 3 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#1020447 - 01/21/20 05:49 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: bushbear]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7206
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Fishing in saltwater always trumps freshwater.

Top
#1020449 - 01/21/20 06:46 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: Carcassman]
darth baiter Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 04/04/10
Posts: 193
Loc: United States
The salt is where the $$$$ is.

Top
#1020452 - 01/22/20 12:06 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: darth baiter]
Brent K Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 08/12/13
Posts: 108
Loc: Arlington, Washington
At least until those saltwater fisheries dry up too. Then WDFW will be scratching their heads wondering why they can't sell a fishing license. They better double down on razor clam digs while they can.


Edited by Brent K (01/22/20 12:24 AM)

Top
#1020455 - 01/22/20 06:48 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: Brent K]
RUNnGUN Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 1320
Originally Posted By: Brent K
At least until those saltwater fisheries dry up too. Then WDFW will be scratching their heads wondering why they can't sell a fishing license. They better double down on razor clam digs while they can.


I imagine that will happen one day. Then in a fluke, an individual run on a specific river will have a robust return in which an in river opener would occur. Then the river fishery will have trumped the salt.
_________________________
“Smart people only believe half of what they hear. Smarter people know which half to believe”

Top
#1020456 - 01/22/20 07:42 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: bushbear]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7206
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Bycatch of Chinook will keep it closed.

Top
#1020460 - 01/22/20 09:11 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: bushbear]
WDFW X 1 = 0 Offline
My Area code makes me cooler than you

Registered: 01/27/15
Posts: 4521
WDFW is in the reality show business now.

Get current folks.

Top
#1020463 - 01/22/20 09:50 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
Bay wolf Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 1075
Loc: Graham, WA
Originally Posted By: WDFW X 1 = 0
WDFW is in the reality show business now.

Get current folks.


Actually, I believe the correct way to put it is:

WDFW is in the Unreality show business...

Truly, they spend an awful lot of time, money and effort putting on the Public NOF Meeting shows!

Top
#1027328 - 03/31/20 01:44 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: eyeFISH]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12750
Originally Posted By: eyeFISH
This is the reference I found...

"As the ice sheet retreated from its maximum position, meltwater drained into the axis of the Lowland but could not follow what would become its modern drainage path north and west out the Strait of Juan de Fuca, because the strait was still filled with many hundreds or even thousands of meters of ice. Instead, meltwater was diverted south along the margins of the retreating ice sheet, coalescing into ever-broader rivers. Channels and locally broad plains of the Vashon recessional outwash now form much of the landscape in these ice-marginal locales and recessional river valleys. These landforms can be traced downstream to their glacial-age spillway out of the Puget Lowland, south through the valley of Black Lake near Olympia and then along the valley of the modern Chehalis River west to the Pacific Ocean."


Global warming is what drove the changes described above.

A real life example was recently witnessed in real time in Alaska/Yukon. A litle less water makes its way 3000 miles to the Bering Sea. Instead it drains due south to a much more direct and expeditious path to the ocean.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017...-climate-change

Not sure how I could have missed it.
_________________________
"Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." (Zane Grey)

"If you don't kill them, they will spawn." (Carcassman)


The Keen Eye MD
Long Live the Kings!

Top
#1027369 - 03/31/20 07:03 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: bushbear]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7206
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
The drainages and changes just since the last glacial maximum are very interesting and very different from today.

Not sure how long ago but I think that at one time Maui, Kahoolawe, Lanai, and Molokai we had one island; Maui Nui.

The recent changes are rather amazing.

Top
#1027435 - 04/01/20 06:51 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: bushbear]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12750
Interesting thing about the genetics of SE-AK transboundary chinook populations... Stikine and Taku have genetic concordance with Yukon kings as their closest relatives. How could this possibly be the case when they enter the ocean a world apart?

This modern-day river piracy on the Alsek is evidence that perhaps water flowing into the Stikine and Taku at one time drained northward thru BC and the Yukon Territory into the Yukon River, coursing 3000 miles thru the entirety of interior Alaska to drain into the Bering Sea.
_________________________
"Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." (Zane Grey)

"If you don't kill them, they will spawn." (Carcassman)


The Keen Eye MD
Long Live the Kings!

Top
#1027438 - 04/01/20 07:39 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: bushbear]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7206
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Another aspect might be timing. There are two summer/early pink runs in PS; Nooksack and Dungeness. They probably survived the glaciation in the same refugia while the other pinks may have survived somewhere else. But, like you note, river capture helps.

The Fraser used to come down the Columbia. It would be really interesting to see how all the rivers on the Pacific Coast moved during that glaciation and its retreat.

Top
#1061355 - 01/13/23 04:52 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: eyeFISH]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12750
Originally Posted By: eyeFISH

Global warming is what drove the changes described above.

A real life example was recently witnessed in real time in Alaska/Yukon. A little less water makes its way 3000 miles to the Bering Sea. Instead it drains due south to a much more direct and expeditious path to the ocean.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017...-climate-change

Not sure how I could have missed it.
Climate change caused the high elevation Slims River to be diverted in 2016 to a new outlet to the ocean, bypassing 3000 miles of its original outflow northward and westward in a sweeping arc thru the Alaska Interior via the Yukon into the Bering Sea... now flowing directly southward into the Gulf of Alaska via the Alsek River.

In yet another hydromorphologic chapter of climate change, the lower mainstem Alsek is now poised to be diverted to a new outlet to the sea as the coastal Grand Plateau Glacier continues its progressive retreat.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/will-dry-bay-lose-the-alsek-river.htm
_________________________
"Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." (Zane Grey)

"If you don't kill them, they will spawn." (Carcassman)


The Keen Eye MD
Long Live the Kings!

Top
#1061356 - 01/13/23 05:00 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: Geoduck]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12750
Originally Posted By: Geoduck
You can't solve this problem by fisheries reductions in areas where a minority of the fish are caught. Cuts in AK and BC will be necessary to make a difference, too bad the politics will never let that happen. . .


We're as close to making that a reality as we've ever been!
_________________________
"Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." (Zane Grey)

"If you don't kill them, they will spawn." (Carcassman)


The Keen Eye MD
Long Live the Kings!

Top
#1061357 - 01/13/23 05:16 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: Salmo g.]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12750
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
The lengths we'll go to to protect mixed stock salmon fishing in WA, the least conservative style of stock management. But that's OK, we'll save Stilly Chinook by closing the summer gamefish season for steelhead and cutthroat that are pursued mainly by fly fishermen. Gee, the Stilly has been closed to fishing for Chinook my entire life, which is quite a while. If that was gonna' save Stilly Chinook, it shoulda' worked by now.


Gee... I wonder what's in store for 2023?
_________________________
"Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." (Zane Grey)

"If you don't kill them, they will spawn." (Carcassman)


The Keen Eye MD
Long Live the Kings!

Top
#1061358 - 01/13/23 06:24 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: bushbear]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7206
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Less fishing........

Top
#1061361 - 01/14/23 09:08 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: Carcassman]
Salmo g. Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13471
Originally Posted By: Carcassman
Less fishing........


You natering nabob of negativism!

(Remember that one?)

Top
#1061362 - 01/14/23 02:11 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: bushbear]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7206
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
I remember Nattering Nabob of Novelty. While I can't remember who that was in reference too, it might have been an organization I belong to. E Clampus Vitus. "In vino veritas".

Top
#1061363 - 01/14/23 02:17 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: bushbear]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7206
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Salmo

I actually searched for the sources.

Negativism came from that very ethical VP Spiro T Agnew. I would prefer not be be associated in any way, shape, or form with him.

Novelty came from the Leland Stanford Jr. University Marching Band. Now that's an organization to be mentioned in in the same breath with.

Top
#1061366 - 01/15/23 10:17 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: bushbear]
Salmo g. Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13471
'Twas indeed Mr. Agnew, who was forced to resign due to a scandal I've long since forgotten. Sorta' like his boss later on. I didn't know about the novelty alternative.

Here's to hoping that the Stilly Tribe lets WDFW open the river for gamefish species this year!

Top
#1061367 - 01/15/23 10:37 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook RMP [Re: bushbear]
Carcassman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7206
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Do the Stilly's have a Rez? Maybe they could open on-Rez to recs for CT (with decent Chinook protections) and let WDFW twist in the winds for not getting the river open.

Top
Page 3 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >

Search

Site Links
Home
Our Washington Fishing
Our Alaska Fishing
Reports
Rates
Contact Us
About Us
Recipes
Photos / Videos
Visit us on Facebook
Today's Birthdays
adipose finn, fishingchef
Recent Gallery Pix
hatchery steelhead
Hatchery Releases into the Pacific and Harvest
Who's Online
2 registered (steely slammer, 1 invisible), 436 Guests and 2 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
John Boob, Lawrence, I'm Still RichG, feyt, Freezeout
11498 Registered Users
Top Posters
Todd 28164
Dan S. 17149
Sol Duc 16138
The Moderator 14486
Salmo g. 13471
eyeFISH 12750
STRIKE ZONE 12107
Dogfish 10979
ParaLeaks 10513
Jerry Garcia 9160
Forum Stats
11498 Members
16 Forums
63719 Topics
644153 Posts

Max Online: 3001 @ 01/28/20 02:48 PM

Join the PP forums.

It's quick, easy, and always free!

Working for the fish and our future fishing opportunities:

The Wild Steelhead Coalition

The Photo & Video Gallery. Nearly 1200 images from our fishing trips! Tips, techniques, live weight calculator & more in the Fishing Resource Center. The time is now to get prime dates for 2018 Olympic Peninsula Winter Steelhead , don't miss out!.

| HOME | ALASKA FISHING | WASHINGTON FISHING | RIVER REPORTS | FORUMS | FISHING RESOURCE CENTER | CHARTER RATES | CONTACT US | WHAT ABOUT BOB? | PHOTO & VIDEO GALLERY | LEARN ABOUT THE FISH | RECIPES | SITE HELP & FAQ |