#1027777 - 04/08/20 09:29 PM
A Glimer Of Hope
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Parr
Registered: 12/10/09
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Loc: Mason
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Browsing through articles relating to todays world I came across this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/...cid=hplocalnewsPerhaps this current situation will give us a look as to what life would like with Alaska catching less of our fish.
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#1027779 - 04/08/20 11:03 PM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: RtndSpawner]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
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And yet we have commercial advisors in GH, WB, and CR all asking WDFW to have a contingency plan in place in case COVID-19 completely pre-empts the recreational fishery for 2020. They want the rec shares to be transferred to "essential" commercial folks fishing to maintain the national food supply.
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"Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." (Zane Grey) "If you don't kill them, they will spawn." (Carcassman) The Keen Eye MDLong Live the Kings!
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#1027780 - 04/08/20 11:52 PM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: eyeFISH]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 1057
Loc: Graham, WA
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And yet we have commercial advisors in GH, WB, and CR all asking WDFW to have a contingency plan in place in case COVID-19 completely pre-empts the recreational fishery for 2020. They want the rec shares to be transferred to "essential" commercial folks fishing to maintain the national food supply. It...never...ends
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#1027782 - 04/09/20 04:11 AM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: RtndSpawner]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/25/01
Posts: 2834
Loc: Marysville
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If the virus situation remains serious enough that the recreational fishermen are not fishing by say August I think it means that much of the economy will still shut down including such the restaurants. Where are the commercial fleet going to sell there catch.
My understanding is that the Dungeness crab season off the California coast shut down early primarily there was not demand for the crab and the price dropped to a point it was no longer profitable to fish.
Curt
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#1027784 - 04/09/20 05:44 AM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: FleaFlickr02]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/29/99
Posts: 1604
Loc: Vancouver, Washington
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if the NT commercials aren't fishing....
The Tribes will be.......
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#1027792 - 04/09/20 09:53 AM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: RtndSpawner]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 1057
Loc: Graham, WA
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Don't worry boys, all the crabs and fish you're not able to go after will not be left to waste: THERE WILL BE FISHING GOING ON!
NOTICE THAT IT'S TAKING PLACE DURING THE REC CLOSURE!
FILING ORGANIZATION: PUYALLUP TRIBE OF INDIANS REGULATION #: SCr20-21-4.6 This is a 4.6 regulation notice to harvest without co-manager agreement. DATE ADOPTED: 3-26-2020 REGULATIONS (S) None SUPERCEDED: CATCH AREA (s): Shellfish Catch reporting area 26D SPECIAL MANAGEMENT AREA: For commercial geoduck diver safety, Geoduck Tracts with active harvest (to -70’ mllw) may be closed to crabbing Saturdays - Tuesdays. Crabbing is permitted at -100’ uncorrected and deeper along the shoreline boundaries of a tract all week long. FISHERY TYPE: COMMERCIAL SPECIES: Dungeness Crab (Cancer magister) UPPER LIMIT: 46,000 pounds ON/OFF RESERVATION: OFF EFFECTIVE DATES April 20, 2020 8:00 AM through official Sunset May 19, 2020 (or until upper limit is taken) LEGAL GEAR: 1) Pots, ring nets, and hand operated instruments that do not Penetrate the shell are the only lawful gear for crab harvest. DAYS/HOURS: Seven days a week, gear must be worked between official sunrise and official sunset only. RECORD KEEPING:1) Landings shall be sold to tribally registered fish buyers and be recorded on fish receiving tickets. 2) In order for the Puyallup Tribal Shellfish office to maintain catch and effort information, crab buyers will be contacted for buying activity. OTHER 1) Minimum size is 61/4 inches measured across the back at the widest spot of the shell immediately in front of, but not including the outside of the tips 2)Harvest of females is prohibited 3)All crab pots must have two escape rings not less than 4 ¼ inches inside diameter. Escape rings must be located on the top half of the pot. A 3 inch by 5 inch biodegradable cord panel (natural fiber, maximum thread size 120) or biodegradable loop attached to the lid hook is also required. 4)Each pot or string of pots must be attached to a surface buoy that is capable of floating a five pound weight. Buoys attached to gear used for commercial fishing can be any color or color combination except red and white. If red and white buoy colors are used, a minimum of 30% of the surface of the buoy(s) will be prominently marked with an additional color other than red and white. 5) Buoys shall be conspicuously marked with the harvester’s fishing identification number preceded by the letters PUY. 6) Harvesters are limited to fishing 50 pots maximum at any one time. 7) It will be unlawful for a crab fisher to remove or pull a crab pot from the water that is not registered by that fisher, without prior permission from their enforcement program. 8) Fish buyers must withhold a 5% tax from the sale of crab and remit to the Shellfish Department. 9) Only harvesters who have received the educational outreach endorsement permit shall be able participate in this harvest. JUSTIFICATION: HARVEST AVAILABLE RESOURCE. This is a 4.6 regulation notice to harvest without co-manager agreement. PUYALLUP TRIBE OF INDIANS 3009 East Portland Ave. TACOMA, WA 98404
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#1027798 - 04/09/20 10:48 AM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: RtndSpawner]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 01/03/17
Posts: 155
Loc: Hood Canal
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Normally, I would inquire to know just exactly what a "4.6 regulation" is...but the Tribes have been harvesting w/o co-manager agreement for some time now. Nothing new here...other than depletion of the resource, while publicly claiming to value conservation. Wait--that's not new, either!
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#1027819 - 04/09/20 04:34 PM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: Great Bender]
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Spawner
Registered: 02/06/08
Posts: 511
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Normally, I would inquire to know just exactly what a "4.6 regulation" is...but the Tribes have been harvesting w/o co-manager agreement for some time now. Nothing new here...other than depletion of the resource, while publicly claiming to value conservation. Wait--that's not new, either! It is a section of the Shellfish Implementation Plan that allows EITHER a Tribe or the State to open shellfish fisheries without first having reached agreement between the State and all affected Tribes. I think this is the latest implementation order (if not it explains): Shellfish Implementation Plan
Edited by OncyT (04/09/20 04:42 PM)
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#1027821 - 04/09/20 08:10 PM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: eyeFISH]
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Spawner
Registered: 06/09/07
Posts: 660
Loc: MA 5, 9, 10
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And yet we have commercial advisors in GH, WB, and CR all asking WDFW to have a contingency plan in place in case COVID-19 completely pre-empts the recreational fishery for 2020. They want the rec shares to be transferred to "essential" commercial folks fishing to maintain the national food supply. So will WDFW sell out politically to the commercials, or look to the quick cash from deferred license sales by opening rec fishing?
Edited by ned (04/09/20 08:17 PM)
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#1027822 - 04/09/20 08:15 PM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: cohoangler]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12619
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if the NT commercials aren't fishing....
The Tribes will be....... Impeccable timing! Great minds must think alike.
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"Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." (Zane Grey) "If you don't kill them, they will spawn." (Carcassman) The Keen Eye MDLong Live the Kings!
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#1027826 - 04/09/20 09:00 PM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: RtndSpawner]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7719
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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Actually, this is a serious questions, especially for those who have ben involved in shellfish advisory groups. Has WDFW actually formally indicated that the achievement of a 50:50 split on crab is a high priority? I know what the Court says, but the State and Tribes can agree to whatever they want.
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#1027831 - 04/09/20 10:23 PM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: RtndSpawner]
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Spawner
Registered: 06/09/07
Posts: 660
Loc: MA 5, 9, 10
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It's not, because if we take more crab, they take more elk, or if we take more salmon, they won't submit is on their permit (but will go to BIA solo)....Meaning there is no simple apples to apples negotiation on one topic, everything is all smashed together in an endless spiderweb of confusion.
For example, if just balancing the scales on such a simple fishery as this could be achieved, why haven't they?
Because, as is said, "Payback is a bitch."
Edited by ned (04/09/20 11:48 PM)
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#1027832 - 04/09/20 10:24 PM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: ned]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 1057
Loc: Graham, WA
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Baywolf, I don't know, but I was referring to tribes that reported catches into 2w and 4, not necessarily the Puyallup. Sorry...I wasn't clear. I copied "CATCH AREA (s): Shellfish Catch reporting area 26D" off of the Puyallup announcement to crab. It's the area they put in as the catch reporting area. I was just curious if it's unusual for the Puyallup Tribe to crab in that area.
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#1027833 - 04/09/20 10:26 PM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: RtndSpawner]
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Spawner
Registered: 06/09/07
Posts: 660
Loc: MA 5, 9, 10
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#1027834 - 04/09/20 11:47 PM
Re: A Glimer Of Hope
[Re: Bay wolf]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 3042
Loc: University Place and Whidbey I...
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Baywolf, I don't know, but I was referring to tribes that reported catches into 2w and 4, not necessarily the Puyallup. Sorry...I wasn't clear. I copied "CATCH AREA (s): Shellfish Catch reporting area 26D" off of the Puyallup announcement to crab. It's the area they put in as the catch reporting area. I was just curious if it's unusual for the Puyallup Tribe to crab in that area. To try and answer your question one would need to know exactly where that reporting area is located. If 26D is a subset of MA 11 then it is within the Puyallup's U&A. A much bigger question would be if it is within MA11 the specific notation that "This is a 4.6 regulation notice to harvest without co-manager agreement" is indicative that the tribe has decided there is enough crab to harvest while WDFW is not in agreement. Hopefully further clarification is forthcoming from WDFW.
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