#1066013 - 06/16/25 08:20 PM
Re: Trump Destroying Columbia River Salmon
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I think the Deschutes hatchery at thirty million is money well spent when you consider the "habitat improvements" of the freeway near Elma top off at nearly two hundred million! To save a few dozen hatchery origin fish? We need to look into the future not the past.
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#1066014 - 06/17/25 07:25 AM
Re: Trump Destroying Columbia River Salmon
[Re: Steelheadman]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
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Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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It's easier to spend the money on culvert replacement than it is to limit fisheries. We are doing the politically easy fixes, which is just slowly warming the water the crab is to be boiled in.
Reading a really good book, Managed Extinction by Williams and Lichatowich, that rather clearly shows how we got where we are salmon wise with overfishing, habitat destruction, hatcheries, etc. While they propose a clear way to, based on past results, actually restore many wild salmonid populations, they never discuss how the dam removals, habitat fixes, hatchery closures will be mitigated. Folks are not going to give up food, power, or dead fish in the boat "just because".
And humans are certainly not gonna stop breeding anytime soon.
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#1066019 - 06/18/25 08:24 PM
Re: Trump Destroying Columbia River Salmon
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No Stars for You!
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It's easier to spend the money on culvert replacement than it is to limit fisheries. We are doing the politically easy fixes, which is just slowly warming the water the crab is to be boiled in.
Reading a really good book, Managed Extinction by Williams and Lichatowich, that rather clearly shows how we got where we are salmon wise with overfishing, habitat destruction, hatcheries, etc. While they propose a clear way to, based on past results, actually restore many wild salmonid populations, they never discuss how the dam removals, habitat fixes, hatchery closures will be mitigated. Folks are not going to give up food, power, or dead fish in the boat "just because".
And humans are certainly not gonna stop breeding anytime soon.
Birth rates continue to drop. Thankfully, leftists are the ones mostly choosing to not have children. I’m sure the vaxxx could also potentially be a factor impacting the birth rate as we move forward. Leftists have a tendency to sterilize themselves in a multitude of ways. That definitely helps and it’s good they aren’t the ones producing more humans. Streamer
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#1066029 - 06/19/25 07:59 AM
Re: Trump Destroying Columbia River Salmon
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River Nutrients
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It's easier to spend the money on culvert replacement than it is to limit fisheries. We are doing the politically easy fixes, which is just slowly warming the water the crab is to be boiled in.
Reading a really good book, Managed Extinction by Williams and Lichatowich, that rather clearly shows how we got where we are salmon wise with overfishing, habitat destruction, hatcheries, etc. While they propose a clear way to, based on past results, actually restore many wild salmonid populations, they never discuss how the dam removals, habitat fixes, hatchery closures will be mitigated. Folks are not going to give up food, power, or dead fish in the boat "just because".
And humans are certainly not gonna stop breeding anytime soon.
Birth rates continue to drop. Thankfully, leftists are the ones mostly choosing to not have children. I’m sure the vaxxx could also potentially be a factor impacting the birth rate as we move forward. Leftists have a tendency to sterilize themselves in a multitude of ways. That definitely helps and it’s good they aren’t the ones producing more humans. Streamer And this is how idiocracy is achieved. By populating the nation with uneducated idiots.
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#1066031 - 06/19/25 11:12 AM
Re: Trump Destroying Columbia River Salmon
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No Stars for You!
Registered: 11/08/06
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And there goes Salmo with the ad hominem instead of refuting anything I said. Pick something I said and provide evidence to refute it. I dare you.
A lot of us conservatives aren’t uneducated idiots. I’ve had more formal education than you have and I also guarantee I’ve read twice as much (or likely more) as you have in my lifetime despite being almost half your age.
Want to try again?
Streamer
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#1066032 - 06/19/25 11:23 AM
Re: Trump Destroying Columbia River Salmon
[Re: Steelheadman]
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Spawner
Registered: 07/13/21
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"U.S. fertility rate for 2025 is 1.79, a 0.06% increase from 2024." https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/united-states/fertility-rateIn case anyone was wondering the the replacement fertility rate, which is the total fertility rate needed to maintain a stable population without net migration, is approximately 2.1 births per woman in most developed countries, including the United States, assuming constant mortality rates and zero net migration. So in other words people have stopped breeding to the point where the population is now in the decline. As for leftists being the ones who mostly are choosing to not have kids, that's just natural selection cleaning out the gene pool.
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#1066033 - 06/19/25 06:31 PM
Re: Trump Destroying Columbia River Salmon
[Re: Steelheadman]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 01/29/19
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Trump is a moron.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://oregoncapitalchronicle.com/2025/06/12/trump-breaks-historic-columbia-river-deal-between-u-s-government-tribes-northwest-states/&ved=2ahUKEwiMyv_dmvCNAxUbATQIHcY3JgoQr_oDKAB6BAghEAE&sqi=2&usg=AOvVaw3a-BcqeVPVMgcvfMYIJqL2 steelheadman, you should know this by now, but as soon as Washington state decided not to comply with federal laws they definitely were not going to get any assistance or a bat of an eye, at that. Just like California. Only morons would believe that trump 'destroyed cr salmon'. Couldn't be the other contributing factors that we have known about. Hope this helps.
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