I think the Deschutes hatchery at thirty million is money well spent when you consider the "habitat improvements" of the freeway near Elma top off at nearly two hundred million! To save a few dozen hatchery origin fish? We need to look into the future not the past.

It's easier to spend the money on culvert replacement than it is to limit fisheries. We are doing the politically easy fixes, which is just slowly warming the water the crab is to be boiled in.

Reading a really good book, Managed Extinction by Williams and Lichatowich, that rather clearly shows how we got where we are salmon wise with overfishing, habitat destruction, hatcheries, etc. While they propose a clear way to, based on past results, actually restore many wild salmonid populations, they never discuss how the dam removals, habitat fixes, hatchery closures will be mitigated. Folks are not going to give up food, power, or dead fish in the boat "just because".

And humans are certainly not gonna stop breeding anytime soon.

Birth rates continue to drop. Thankfully, leftists are the ones mostly choosing to not have children. I’m sure the vaxxx could also potentially be a factor impacting the birth rate as we move forward. Leftists have a tendency to sterilize themselves in a multitude of ways. That definitely helps and it’s good they aren’t the ones producing more humans.


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And this is how idiocracy is achieved. By populating the nation with uneducated idiots.

And there goes Salmo with the ad hominem instead of refuting anything I said. Pick something I said and provide evidence to refute it. I dare you.

A lot of us conservatives aren’t uneducated idiots. I’ve had more formal education than you have and I also guarantee I’ve read twice as much (or likely more) as you have in my lifetime despite being almost half your age.

Want to try again?


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"U.S. fertility rate for 2025 is 1.79, a 0.06% increase from 2024."

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/united-states/fertility-rate

In case anyone was wondering the the replacement fertility rate, which is the total fertility rate needed to maintain a stable population without net migration, is approximately 2.1 births per woman in most developed countries, including the United States, assuming constant mortality rates and zero net migration. So in other words people have stopped breeding to the point where the population is now in the decline. As for leftists being the ones who mostly are choosing to not have kids, that's just natural selection cleaning out the gene pool.

steelheadman, you should know this by now, but as soon as Washington state decided not to comply with federal laws they definitely were not going to get any assistance or a bat of an eye, at that. Just like California. Only morons would believe that trump 'destroyed cr salmon'. Couldn't be the other contributing factors that we have known about. Hope this helps.

Oh look… Salmo G is silent. Maybe because what I stated is in fact all true.

Oh look… looks like more research about the vaxxx and infertility. I will copy FP’s post from another thread




Oh look… Salmo once again running his mouth and unable to back up anything. Maybe he’s the uneducated idiot? If only the covid vaxxx was available 40 years ago…



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Did you actually read the study? The findings and the caviets for interpretation?

Certainly not an airtight case for the claim...

Also, why is this even coming up in a thread on changes in CR Policy?

This F*#@@*G site has lost the plot!

It is only loosely related at best. But if you go back and read the comment about humans not breeding anytime soon you will see where comments were made about low birth rates solving some of the problem and that the vaxxx quite possibly is a factor to this. To tie the golden thread back to the original topic, leftists engage in a variety of self-sterilization practices that contribute to lower birth rates, which means fewer people, which means less urbanization and development, which is better for habitat, which is better for salmon.



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And just when is this declining birthrate going to manifest itself with less development, less urban and suburban sprawl, less demand for water, less demand for resources going to be actually observed in the NA range of anadromous salmonids?

Our fish and game have never been "managed" for the best possible outcome and best possible opportunity... Its been "managed" to exploit the highest level of control over the people via the ESA and Environment...

Its all [Bleeeeep!] and a money scam,, massive fraud and money laundering racket...

Our governmental system has always known how to produce more salmon via hatcheries,, it has also always known how to target specific runs to be exploited/depleted as to use specific tools to control human life for maximum extortion...

And during the next bad one, the right wing wacko anti vaxxers will just be dead. What better way to control the population. Would much rather be steril than dead.

reduced birth rates were a side effect... Don't you realize they tried to kill as many people as possible? Every injection taken results in fewer years/months of life... Some people die quick and some die slower...

Your government tried to murder you and they knew exactly what they were doing,, it was pre meditated..

"The next bad one" It wont be the fake virus or fake nuclear detonation,, it will be the fake antidote that kills you... By design... Everything is a rich mans trick,, a deception...

Your government wants to murder you before you figure out their scam...

Fish management is a scam to extort and control you... Plain and simple,, clearly that is the intent...

The Indians are PAWNS being used for the scam and extortion racket,, their casino's help to launder the money/pay the bribes...


The whole thing is a total scam,, the entire fake/not elected government is a rigged scam...

They keep the people distracted via the polarization,,, keep the people fighting each other via division and its much easier to control them...

Wow, I think Rich G might be even more anti-government than I am. You and Sasquatch I guess, no wonder he is hiding out in the woods. Let’s be real, following the government’s playbook is like signing up for a slow poison. It’s hazardous to your health, wealth, and sanity. But I don’t buy the idea they’re out there actively hunting down everyone who sees through their scam. Evil must hide in plain sight, for the rules of the universe demand that the deceived must consent to their deception but that doesn't mean they go out and murder you if you don't consent to their deception. You and I? We don't buy in. We see the game, call it out, and still keep breathing. Rich G, you might be onto something, but I’m not ready to go full hermit in the forest Sasquatch style just yet, plenty of fight left to expose the con from right here. I think you even agree Rich, because if you really thought they were going to murder those who didn't buy the scam you wouldn't be on here trying to expose the scam daily for years, but instead you'd post: I love the regime, the current order is excellent and bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.

I asked AI if the Sasquatch is anti-government because it hides out in the woods and this is what it said:

"The idea that Sasquatch is anti-government because it hides out in the woods is more speculative and rooted in folklore rather than factual evidence. Sasquatch, also known as Bigfoot, is a cryptid described as a large, hairy, ape-like creature that is said to inhabit forests, particularly in the Pacific Northwest of North America. While there are numerous anecdotal sightings and stories surrounding Sasquatch, there is no conclusive scientific evidence to support its existence. The idea that Sasquatch is anti-government is a part of the broader speculation and folklore surrounding the creature, rather than a fact-based conclusion. The lack of empirical evidence means that any assertions about Sasquatch's behavior, including its relationship with governmental bodies, remain purely hypothetical."

That's a pro-government AI if I ever heard one. I think Sasquatch is anti-government or even more anti-government than Rich G. I think it's a fact that Sasquatch doesn't like government, he is not some quadruple boosted Kamala voting government fan? No. Does he pay taxes, no. Does he send his little Sasquatch kids to school, no. Does he watch government TV or use the internet, no. Sasquatch is an anti-government as you can get. Like how does Sasquatch even like government? AI is wrong, what do you think Rich G?

I think AI's perspective is limited by the minds that created it... AI is currently "subject" to a system of governance..

You’d think the Big Hairy Squatch’s hanging here in Warshington would be super really big into the state’s special protections and the privileges afforded to them. Sanctuary, no harming, a dedicated museum or two, along with free range and all.

Yup. Pro gov for sure...