Pilar posted a great apology to me over there I guess when apologies are concerned, he was never taught HUMILITY because "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining" with that 'apology'. Hopefully Jennie will yank him as moderator before she loses anymore members. If not, welcome!

I am a member of both boards. Don't post here much and only lurk occasionally. Ifish is turning into a big SOAP Opera that I am completely avoiding now. A couple weeks ago I called RT on some stuff that I thought was out of line. I was not defending anyone, I was just venting some frustration with what was going on over there. RT, you probably know who I am now. Any way, You can still find some good reports over there and some pretty good tech occasionally. I will continue to use both boards and keep out of the s..t.

I originally logged into iFish, and then later here. Why the hard feelings there spilled onto this board is beyond me, but "internal" problems should be handled "internally."

What's happening is that new people are going to be run off by the bickering.

I've been fishing close to 50 years, but have only started to get serious about salmon/steelhead, so I'm here for the information, and will someday hope to repay the favor.

John

i`m an i-fisher, anybody seen "boater"

I started here at PP and migrated over to include Ifish after reading RT's posts. I think we're similar, yet different crowds. A little less uptight here. I've been around the block with people here, too, but not usually somebody whining about the board being too "NC-17 rated". Here at PP, I act like I'm at home with friends, at Ifish I act a little more like I'm at my folks' house and I need to tread a little lighter.

I'll probably continue at Ifish since there are some good people there, and we shouldn't "throw the baby out with the bathwater" because one moderator there decided to drag his fight with the Redneck over here. It was definitely a lunkhead move on Pilar's part, but I think the redneck is grown up enough to handle his own affairs (Not with livestock, redneck ). Our southern friend has a sense of humor that apparently offends some people......I don't really get it 'cause I think he's pretty hilarious. Must be the women over there or something........

I am so busy working, and when I'm not working I'm fishing. Anyway I live at the mouth of the Columbia (Buoy 10 country) and I do post on ifish every now and then. I will post some things about Buoy 10 if ya like. I just thought that this board was for more of up north. I can see that I was wrong, there are allot of folks from Oregon here. I will start to check this board out more often from now on.

Fishing is tuff, but I have to provide food for my family.

I'm on both boards, but I rarely ever post on ifish. Hell, I've only posted on ifish lately to defend Yall and RT and post my opinions.

The only reason I went to ifish in the first place is because of RT. I liked his style and he was a REAL person. Just like all the fisherman I know. I went to ifish while it was still somewhat small. I think I'm like the 200th person to sign on. Only problem, it became more and more restrictive. I know SOME of the EX moderators were more coerced into their (or shall I say someone elses) decisions on post deletions. It got so bad that great posts with one, maybe two, bad replies were completely deleted. Alot of good info was lost. From that point forward, hostilities rained. You could tell all the people who kissed Jennies butt and those of us who stood up for our ways of life. Funny thing of all, it was the people who were new that seemed to rule the board.

Oh well, I was on Bob's first, and will stay. Most of my friends who I met on Ifish are here anyways.

Jerry

Oh yeah, the only reason you see people on here complaining about ifish is the censorship. It doesn't take long to have a post wiped out, or completely deleted at a whim. If you want the grey poupon, napkin, and wine, go to Ifish. If you want the real, old fashioned fishing lifestyle, come here.

We have RT, Os, TM, Dan, and Yall, who more do we need???

i,m fairly new to this b,b could some body give me the url of ifish so i can see what all the controversity is all about.

Bronc you can get there at ifish.net. I havent had any problems over there. Good luck..........Fishhead Vic

I have been on both boards for quite sometime.
I think that once everyone over there gets there dosage right on the thorazine and prozac it will be allright again.
I too was "called out" by a certain few, and they publicly posted private e-mails, I was amazed at the support I recieved like yall is, but if you think about it for 1/2 a second he should get nothing but support because of his honesty and wit. He has done nothing wrong and tried to make ammends while others still stir it. I am proud to say the redneck is a friend and we have fished together, nothing but a southern gentleman anyways I hope to see things get back on track over there because variety is the spice of life
Peace Superfly
P.S. The ***** stuff is nothing compared to this!!!

Southern gentleman? Yeah okay I'll agree but I'm still not introducing him to my daughter...or cat.....or dog Yall is a pretty cool dude and it was fun fishing with him,Jeffhead and RT today.

thanks for the info, fishead. i did find the site ,looks good , as long as they stick to fishing .

:p

Hey, I remembered what I was going to say about all of this! The downturn was when ... ah ... downturn w a s ... oh geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez, I went and forgot what I was going to say again! aaaaarrrrrggggg

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I'm a localized northwest Oregon fisherman. Grew up outside of Astoria and learned that area well. Ifish seems to suit my flavor because I still concentrate my efforts close to home. I hop in here every so often to check things out.

I had my $h*t jumped about 5 or 6 months ago about posting an off-colored remark on Ifish and I decided then to keep it fishing, not because they told me too, but because I spend most of my freetime with my family and fishing. I don't have time to waste taking sides, giving my .02, or getting in pissing matches with people.

I still post often on ifish, it is almost always about fishing and I may mildly joke every once in awhile. I really think most of you waste too much time and energy on this stuff. I'm free with my knowledge and will post when I have useful info. to give. I ask alot of questions to better my knowledge and most everyone on ifish always helps me out. I've learned alot from RT, Os, Pilar, Stew, Yall' and the rest. I look forward to meeting many of you on the water someday.

Outside of this post I'm not going to waste my time trying to put forth my morals, who I think is right or wrong, or even the people I'd like to kick-a$$ on.

I'll tell you that you shouldn't let one person piss you off so bad that you toss the rest of the boat out. I'd appreciate to see everyone here that has useful info. and tips to post wherever they think it will do the most good. We have a great bunch of insightful people on both boards that share a common interest, fishing. Lets try to build on that first.


I'll leave it at that...see ya on the river!

Been posting on ifish, here, and Marty's for about a year or so. Takin' a break from the ifish board,, not so sure I like the direction it's headed. Learned a lot, shared a lot, but to much starch in the collar lately.
Good luck and tight lines, Jeff

I lurk and post on both. I don't generally get involved with the bickering on either. When I have lots of time, I read the petty arguments and hard feelings about not being able to post "adult content" on the family fishing board. It looks like those people have found a home here. They appear to be in the minority, evidenced by the short list of daily posting here compared to 2-3 pages of topics on ifish. I read other topic boards too and if I spent time reading all the crap, I'd never get any work done. Apparently some folks have alot of time on their hands.

ifish has more daily posts with truly interested beginners and experienced fishermen and women alike. If you want fishing content, ifish is a good place to start. I come here afterwards and glance over the short list of topics before going to fishinggear.com to check the weather at the Tillamook bar.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Don't burn your bridges.
Never spit on someone while going up the ladder, you will surely see him on the way down.

etc.

I'm really curious who you are Pitch Pocket. By your limited posts, lack of profile/email, and blatant defense of ifish makes me wonder who you really are or who put you up to coming over here.

First off, to say that one board has more people posting on it makes it better is bunk. There is alot of low key low response posts on there. Second most of the people posting are asking questions by inexperienced anglers and most of the responses are by the same guys who are making the posts over here. Most of us are accomplished fishermen/women and have only the occasional question or two. Plus, this has become our place to hang out.

Ifish was never presented as a "family board". When I first went there because of RT it was much like this board is now. We are more representative of people who are true sportsman, not the people who consider this a "hobby".

I don't want this to seem like a slam on you, I know it does seem that way. It's just there's always a new person that is completely unknown here defending ifish and slamming bob's. I basically have completely left ifish. I go back and do a quick look. But all the "good info" you seem to be talking about is the same retoric replayed over and over again. What alot of us have been either edited or deleted for were very mild things. Some were borderline, but most were PG13 at best.

Oh well, I guess I could say like they do at ifish "it's a free country, you don't like it leave". But I welcome you here, and if you want to pull up a chair, grab a drink, and BS with all of us over our daily catch come on in. You're more then welcome....try to find that at Ifish. You won't if you go against the grain......

This time I remember:

Check out the "Conflict Resolution Proposals - Then Let's Fish" thread on Ifish. - With the help of Jerry D. (Steelheader69) we likely have hit upon resolution and peace. Essentially both this BB and the ifish BB are obviously going to continue to have useful and interesting fishing threads - but the difference beyond that is ifish will be family oriented and Bob's site here will be aimed more at adult fishermen; and the guy's "boat talk" fun threads we like to banter around with between the fishing things - as long as Bob continues to be agreeable with this trend (and I bet he will as long as we keep things within reason). Posting your positve feedback here and in the Ifish thread would be a very good thing to do now. At least more will know where to have fishing guy's kind of fun. Fish on! Party on!

RT

Since when did this become IFISH's board vs. Bob's board??? It never even came close to an issue to there was a huge migration from IFISH to here.

Steelheader69

I defend no board. I’m not “put up” by anyone. Unique as it may seem, I’m just an interested fisherman that has enjoyed both boards for their fishing content with no hidden agenda. I’m not so new either, I posted under another moniker when this board started, but put up Pitch Pocket because I liked it better. I’m also a parent of 3 great kids who at times have to be separated when they start bickering back and forth. It doesn’t mean that I disown the transgressor and only relate favorably to the one I agree with.

I never said that ifish was better because there are more posters. My point is that more people seem to post on that site than here. It doesn’t make it better; it means that there are more posts, plain and simple. Yes, there are more inexperienced fisherman/women there, but I didn’t know being a “true sportsman” was an elitist club. I look to both boards for tech info and interesting questions and offer mine when it seems applicable.

I think you are wrong about the family values idea. When Jen first put up the board, RT was not there. He did a great job of offering technical expertise and added a dimension to the board that made it interesting and fun. The whole “Peyton Place” started when RT went beyond what Jen considered good taste and he “reeled” (pardon the pun). Instead of adjusting his posts, he turned and stomped out rather rudely.

It appears that Jen simply does not want the mild pornographic or abusive content on her board. I don’t think that is too much to ask. Most of the posts deleted (I caught a few) had little to no fishing content and were diversions from what seemed to be good taste. Those decisions whether right or wrong are Jen’s call. Judging from the continued readership and volume of posts, quite a few people don’t care if the off color, barroom humor is absent.

There seems to be a lot of angry “accomplished fisherman” here that have publicly disowned ifish, yet continue to lurk and even post there. There is no reason to be slamming or defending Bobs or the ifish board. Both sites are terrific. Most of the rhetorical posts at both sites are by the people scorned at being edited. If we can just get beyond the bickering back and forth and behave like adults, we can get back to the business of fishing.

Kids, go to your rooms!