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#137605 - 01/27/02 06:38 PM Vision hook inconsistency
Fishalot Offline
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Registered: 12/09/01
Posts: 64
Loc: Portland, Oregon
This is just a question, has anyone found Vision Hooks to have a inconsistency in sharpness. The reason I ask is I bought my first package and found 3 out of 10 to be a little dull. I got out a package of good old Gamies and they were sharper hands down. I will say the Visions were less money but who cares if they are not consistent.

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#137606 - 01/27/02 06:55 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
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Registered: 12/14/99
Posts: 817
Loc: Tacoma WA
They're a new coompany, and quality control is tougher since I assume they don't have the staffing bigger companies have. They're sharper then most out theeere. Plus, I remember when I first started buying Gami's they had the occasional dul to. But th bigger they got, the better quality control they had. I haven't had a problem with them. I just double check them before I tie them up. I'd say the biger they get, the better performance they'll get. Most small companies start out that way, but only difference is thta with most manufacturers, thy have a smaler stock base (say building rods andsuch). A rod maker wil only have s may on stock, and produce a few at a time. Whereas a hook manufacturer wil have thousands. I'm sure i's pretty tedious wok chcking them for sharpness, and some will be missed. I can handle th few duls ones, since I check the before I tie the up. I get on average maybe 3-7 per hundred pack. For th price comparison to Gami's I can easily handle that. Plus, I haven't had any problems with the breakage/bending I've heard about either. I'm stil in th trial run, but I like what I've used so far. But i use a certain hok fora certain situation. May be why I do't brak/bend any. Just my opinion.
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#137608 - 01/27/02 07:22 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
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Tumwater Sports has a tub of Vision Hooks discounted on their clearance table if anyone is interested.
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#137609 - 01/27/02 08:21 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
willierower Offline
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Registered: 11/03/99
Posts: 510
Loc: Albany OR
Every hook manufacturer will let some substandard products slip out the door. When they are dealing with that many hooks its impossible to catch every sub standard hook. Ive had sub standard hooks with every manufacturer. Vision doesnt seem have more "bad" hooks than anyone else. They are a newer company and people are looking harder at thier products. Personally I will use nothing bt Vision hooks, I have yet to have one fail while using one. I cant say that about the other guys hooks.
I work in a production plant that produces a couple of million linial feet of material a day. Even though we make the best product on the market and our qality control is the best in the buisness we still let some bad stuff get out the door. That just happens when you are dealing with large volumes of product. It cant be helped.

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#137610 - 01/27/02 09:18 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
steeliematt Offline
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Registered: 01/21/02
Posts: 70
I had 11 hooks in the last 100 pack I puchased to be flattened at the point like they where chrushed in the press. I have went back to the Owner needle points or cutting points. The hook may be what is holding my Trophy, So money is not spared. As they grow and QC becomes more riged I will try them again. Most where sharp but 11 deformed...

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#137611 - 01/27/02 09:24 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
Metalhead Mojo Offline
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Registered: 11/26/01
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Loc: Browns Point
i dont know of any business where a customer will accept a salesmans excuse of "bad product just happens, theres nothing we can do about it, it cant be helped". that seems pretty extreme.
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#137612 - 01/27/02 09:42 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
slippedona%%^^rock Offline
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Registered: 12/28/01
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Wait a minute here! back up the ramp. weren't these Vision advertised as (hand sharpened). I too have seen a lot of faults, like the eyes being rough arounf the edges, some points are dull. just drag a gami across your thumb nail, then try a vision big difference. got to remember these are kimchi hooks, Made in So Korea i believe. sorry if i'm wrong. but i sure do like there swivels there awesome.
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#137613 - 01/27/02 09:44 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
Chromeo Offline
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Registered: 10/29/01
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Loc: Kenmore, WA
I always fish visions and every one i've had has been sharp as hell! Ask my fingers, they know! laugh
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#137614 - 01/27/02 09:55 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
willierower Offline
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Loc: Albany OR
KSR,
Obviously you havent been aroud too many production operations. In the buisness Im in we make over 1300 feet of material a minute. You cant catch every little flaw at that speed.
Im pretty sure that hooks are made fast and the operator of the machine that makes the hook cant catch every defective hook.......

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#137615 - 01/27/02 10:00 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
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Hey Dave Jackson is the other half of that dead horse available or did Bardo scarf it up for cougar bait?

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#137616 - 01/27/02 10:04 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
Steelheader69 Offline
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Registered: 12/14/99
Posts: 817
Loc: Tacoma WA
Wilie rower is right. You produce in bulk, you get mistakes. It's hat they do with their mistaks. From hat i"ve sen, you send the back your bad hoks thy replace them. They may say "it' a quality control thing", but the do try to rectify any mistakes. I like Visions so far, and plan to ive the alot more busines. Now, if only th'd make a FLY HOOK I'd be super happy. Hint hint, an Alec Jjackson spey hok would even be BETTER. laugh
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#137617 - 01/27/02 10:22 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
Bob Offline

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Registered: 03/05/99
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Loc: Forks, WA & Soldotna, AK
Inconsistencies can be found in all manufacturer's packages. Fishgal just got done tying up a hundred Mustad Ultra Points and there were four defective hooks in that batch.
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#137618 - 01/27/02 10:54 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
Dave Jackson Offline
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Registered: 04/18/01
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Loc: Milwaukie, OR
I'm afraid that our friend has gone on to the afterlife. At least, after his frozen death and then cougar baiting:


Seriously, send them an email ( vision@visionhooksandtackle.com )and let them know that you had some bad hooks. They've been very responsive in the past and I don't see that changing. No matter what hook, leader, swivel, etc that I use I am going to test it before I toss it. I'd rather find out before I hook one than after.

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#137619 - 01/27/02 11:08 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
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Crap...White Dog was watching the screen when I scrolled to the Alpo post! Severely traumitized pooch....thought he was getting prime cuts of beef rolleyes .

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#137621 - 01/27/02 11:15 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
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Registered: 09/06/00
Posts: 1096
Loc: Shelton
I'm about half way through my second box of 1000 # 4s. I found 2 bad ones is the first 1000 and haven't found one in this box yet. My guess is you've gotten old stock.

Fishhead5

Goose I think this has been beaten to death.
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#137622 - 01/27/02 11:16 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
Dave Jackson Offline
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Loc: Milwaukie, OR
I think I'm going to post this thread over at artbell.com. There's a conspiracy amock.
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#137623 - 01/27/02 11:22 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
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Yah mon! Da 'orse is laung ded mon!

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#137624 - 01/27/02 11:26 PM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
Perfect Drift Offline
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Registered: 01/18/01
Posts: 94
Loc: Battle Ground, Washington
I've had $200 Shimano reels strip out the first trip on the water, I've had $350 G. Loomis IMX's blow up in my face first time into a fish. Chances are, you make enough of something, you're gonna have a few defects here and there in your product. Vision's are damn good hooks for the price. I suggest getting a hold of one of the guys at "Team Vision". They'll be more than happy to take care of ya..

James

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#137625 - 01/28/02 02:25 AM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
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Registered: 01/26/00
Posts: 6424
Loc: Vancouver, WA
I'll second what James said...

I personally fish a lot of different hooks and have found flaws in all of them. For what you pay for Visions if you get a bad one throw it in the garbage and tie up the next one.

But I still would rather fish a Vision over a Gami unless I'm fishing a no barb piece of water... eek Gami's barbs suck and no matter how hard you set the hook with them there's not much barb to hold.. At least with a dull hook if you set the hook hard and bury the barb it will reduce the chances of losing an acrobatic fish..
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#137626 - 01/28/02 09:25 AM Re: Vision hook inconsistency
Skywalker Offline
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Registered: 03/10/01
Posts: 578
Loc: Snohomish, WA, USA
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Originally posted by Sir Flossalot:
Every hook manufacturer will let some substandard products slip out the door. When they are dealing with that many hooks its impossible to catch every sub standard hook. Ive had sub standard hooks with every manufacturer. Vision doesnt seem have more "bad" hooks than anyone else. They are a newer company and people are looking harder at thier products. Personally I will use nothing bt Vision hooks, I have yet to have one fail while using one. I cant say that about the other guys hooks.
I work in a production plant that produces a couple of million linial feet of material a day. Even though we make the best product on the market and our qality control is the best in the buisness we still let some bad stuff get out the door. That just happens when you are dealing with large volumes of product. It cant be helped.


Every manufacturer makes bad product, true. The key is to implement process control, so that the product and equipment making it gets inspected more often than your quality data implies you're apt to get bad product. What you do with the product that was made right before the process went out of control is what controls how much bad product makes it to the market. That, and how you define "bad product".

Unless they're making medical, military, or aviation products, most manufacturers will call it an acceptable risk and ship it. You just hope you don't get the last 50 hooks made right before they discovered the machine was in a bummer mood!

I haven't tried Visions yet..what's the price dif compared to Gammis?

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