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#168066 - 12/08/02 11:17 PM cowlitz flow
bowhunter Offline
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Registered: 12/07/00
Posts: 83
Loc: Newcastle wash
Does anyone know if there is a schedule the power guys go off of to let out water into the river?

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#168067 - 12/09/02 10:21 AM Re: cowlitz flow
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Registered: 06/14/00
Posts: 1828
Loc: Toledo, Washington
bowhunter

Yes, they call it the "all mighty dollar"!! slap laugh

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#168068 - 12/09/02 04:09 PM Re: cowlitz flow
Jeffhead Offline
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Registered: 03/27/00
Posts: 531
Loc: Olympia, Washington
I think that TPS is dancing to thier own drummer now. Normally at this time of year the flow is steady at somewhere between 6 and 8000 CFS, but with the rates for power sales being below what TPS wants them to be (for sales) they are not using up the water behind the dams to generate power in wait for higher demand and prices. Earlier this fall was a prime example of that...4 to 5000 CFS during the week and then dropped back down to 3000 CFS on the weekend when demand was lower. The "drought" may have something to do with it, your guess is as good as mine. One thing it has done though is make places that normally are not fishable this time of year fishable. Oh ya my .02....any other opinions out there...Cowfish you were awful short on this one!!!
Good luck and tight lines, Jeff laugh laugh

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#168069 - 12/09/02 04:39 PM Re: cowlitz flow
Salmo g. Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Tacoma has a general schedule, always subject to change. They began the season with Riffe reservoir pretty full, and drafted even a little early. I like to fish for summer runs and sea runs in September but didn't much this year because the flows were higher. Tacoma is required to draft (lower) Riffe to make room for flood storage in the winter.

When the usual fall rains didn't happen, it appears that Tacoma began conserving water and reduced discharge to less than normal for Oct, Nov, and Dec. If winter rains don't come and snowpack (they're usually skiing at White Pass now, but only a few inches so far) doesn't materialize, Tacoma will likely continue with lower than normal flows on the Cowlitz this winter. Hydro management always requires betting on the odds of refilling the storage reservoirs with the spring snow melt. Failing to refill is considered very poor form, so there needs to be a good reason for it when it does occur.

I just swapped emails with the guy at Tacoma who is managing flow on the Nisqually, and they are conseving water there as well. This actually is good for fish. If the power companies released their usual higher autumn flows and salmon spawned at those flows, and then the reservoirs ran out of water due to draught, then the redds get left high and dry, resulting is extensive egg mortality. As a rule of thumb, it's preferable that incubation flows be at least 60% of the spawning flow so that eggs remain covered, receive oxygen, and have waste metabolites carried away. Two years ago, Nisqually nearly ran out of storage water several times, but it would rain just enough to maintain minimum flow for salmon egg incubation. The Baker River reservoirs did run out of water. So it can happen.

In a sense, CFM does have it right. It's about money, and gambling on whether it's cheaper to generate your own energy, conserve the water, or buy energy from someone else. Tacoma can probably afford to conseve water now because wholesale power prices are fairly low. But if they were to skyrocket like they did two years ago, then Tacoma would probably gamble on the come and draft Riffe heavily so they wouldn't have to power from other sources when prices are high.

Considering that it's hardly rained since the 4th of July except for a couple strong weeks in November, conserving water looks to be the best course of action. Just look how low the unregulated rivers are now and how many chinook and chum redds are high and dry. We need a little rain, folks.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

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#168070 - 12/09/02 05:57 PM Re: cowlitz flow
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Registered: 04/05/01
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Loc: Redmond
I'm thinking of heading over to the Cow on Wednesday - the big question - are the rapids at Blue Creek negotiable by jet? (the big bend area). I'd hate to get down and not be able to come back up!
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#168071 - 12/09/02 07:08 PM Re: cowlitz flow
Rapid Robert Offline
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Registered: 01/11/02
Posts: 624
Loc: Selah Wa.
Mike C, yes thats not a problem...... but be careful if its foggy..... you can't see if someone is runnin up river or a DB is floatin down....
theirs only room for one boat at a time in the corner and the upriver approach..... stay in or on the edge of the heavy chop.
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#168072 - 12/09/02 11:10 PM Re: cowlitz flow
cowlitzfisherman Offline
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Registered: 06/14/00
Posts: 1828
Loc: Toledo, Washington
Here's one more thing for you guys (and girls) to think about on the Cowlitz. Today, Tacoma Power was in their final "day in court" concerning their flood claims cases on the Cowlitz River during the 1995-96 floods. It's now up to the "jury" to see if Tacoma Power operated their project "negligently" at that time period. evil evil evil

Tacoma would never do anything, regardless of the current short falls of water conditions to "jeopardize" this case because it may (no, will) set new operating standards for their new relicensing.

I do not believe that Salmo G even knew that Tacoma was currently on trial today! It will be more then interesting to see what the jury's findings will be!

Stay tuned!!

Cowlitzfisherman
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#168073 - 12/11/02 12:39 AM Re: cowlitz flow
bowhunter Offline
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Registered: 12/07/00
Posts: 83
Loc: Newcastle wash
Thank you guys for the info on the flows! hope ya all have a nice pair of hooters in your stockings for xmas!

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