Bulldog, Grandpa may be many things but I can tell you a couple of things that he aint. He is a Northwest boy through and through and he is a damn fine fisherman. And for what its worth, he also contributes a lot of his time to insuring that sports fishermen opportunities are maximized. When it comes to fishing, Grandpa walks the talk.

Now, about his politics....

I agree with Eddie. While I disagree with Grandpa on many issues, he is involved in our fisheries. Usually on the wrong side, but he's active and involved.

Seriously, I respect people who go past the stage of ranting and get involved, and he's done that. That puts him head and shoulders above most folks. Even if we disagree on the issues, it's good to simply have the debates, because it elevates public awareness.

As to his politics and manners, well, that's unfortunate. We can choose whether to be mannerly and informed, and that's up to each of us as individuals. It would be nice if we could disagree and debate without the name calling, but that seems to be part of the sport for him. It seems like he hates opposing viewpoints, but is drawn to them, as a moth to the flame. After the recent noise, I've decided not to respond to his posts anymore, as it looks like all he wants to do is fight.

Hilton, you are right on a couple of points regarding Grandpa. #1 - this bulletin board ranting is a sport to him, a past time. #2 - Grandpa is actively involved. On a personal note, I know Grandpa and believe it or not, in person, he's a funny, nice, & good man. The whole package (including baggage) comes with him as with everybody. I only have to look in the mirror to see the truth of that.

Now Eddie you are pretty darn supportive of old grandpa...I have to admit to the "sport" part of this BB....I am no where near as radical as I sound...This forum does some crazy things to a "confrontational" guy like me...too outspoken I guess.... I can say one thing though, the postings about hot button political issues and hatcheries seem to get the most participants and the most name calling. People have a tendancy to get pretty hot when they oppose someone else's viewpoint enough. If someone thinks they are so right and you are so wrong it can dgenerate quickly. In person would be a totally different story. I can banter back and forth with you and disagree with you on many things but the difference is that I know you personally and respect you very much. It is inherently unfair for all of us to make judgements about each other based on what goes on here. Some judgements.,ok but not major ones. I have always refused to take the easy road and shut up..the easy road is what most take...so some of the people refuse to answer me..so what? doesn't mean much to me at all...But if Eddie scolds me and says I have my head up my ass...I'm gonna bend over and check. Having a big mouth and fast typing hands can get you in trouble...And I have never learned the lesson of being careful what you put in print as it is a permanent record. ...Oh well I do have quite a bit of fishing information..those threads only last a short while and can be boring. And believe it or not I spend a fair amount of my time every day on fishing issues and concerns. I have spent many years helping handicapped kids with swimming boating and fishing...I'm working on making this a better place to enjoy fishing for kids like my 1 year old grandson....He is what counts not all the politics and arguing...grandpa has a thing or two to teach the grandkid and it ain't about politics.

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...grandpa has a thing or two to teach the grandkid and it ain't about politics.

Well, I, for one, have always found that I learn more when I keep my mouth shut and my ears open. Don't know how I learned it, since I find it so very difficult to practice. I should, and shall, practice more.

SH..what you are describing is the
"Crocodile Syndrome"...BIG MOUTH...LITTLE EARS..................chomp chomp!!

OK....200 posts.

Have you guys beat this dead horse enough yet??

your pathetic little car has 200,000 miles on it and you still drive it??? This thread is just trying top prove that political controversy will never be won and will go on and on and on.....Try to find a fishing topic this long???

I couldn't agree more. Especially when it comes to the GOP (Fox) News Channel.

When one broadens their information base, they will learn things like:

The prior administration gave substantial intelligence information to the Bush cabal that would have identified the Twin Towers as a target. However, because Clinton's name was associated with it, the report was ignored.

The cabal also recieved information about bin Laden on three separate occasions and could have taken him out with unmanned drones, however, intra-administration squabbles over who got credit for the kill prevented the arming of drones with warheads.

There is NO connection between Iraq and al Quadea.

Saddam was NOT responsible or involved in the attacks of 9/11.

There was NO nuclear program in Iraq.

Experts have determined that the two trailers found were used for activities such as manufacturing helium for weather balloons or perhaps refueling rockets, but NOT for chemical or biological warfare.

World opinion shows that America has lost a great deal of its credibility.

The American people were lied to by its leaders. The American media prostituted itself by glorifying those lies for ratings. (Okay, that last senctence is really just my opinion.)

40% of Americans believe we've already found WMD in Iraq. 30% believe that chemicals were used against us in the war. About 50% believe Saddam was responsible for 9/11 attacks.

I find it very scary, and unsettling, that the American people can be so easily conditioned by misinformation to believe erroneous facts. And I find it appalling that a man of self-proclaimed strong Christian faith can deliberately lie, and that lie lead to the death of thousands of people. All politicians lie, I can accept that. But when that lie leads to the death and destruction of late, that I cannot accept. Especially by a man whose platform was to bring morale integrity back to the Whitehouse.

What kind do you mean? He was building a plant, and it was well on its way until Israel bombed it. And what about the hidden crucial nuke bomb part or parts just recently found? I did hear that on FOX so i guess its just propaganda. I also heard it on CNN so it must be true. Everyones an expert these days zzzzzzzz

Sorry, I should have stated that there wasn't a current nuclear program creating an imminent threat as alluded to by Bush, et al, in numerous public addresses. By the way, that part (buried 12 years ago) was one centrifuge out of a thousand needed to enrich uranium. It was, more than likely, a template to be used should the sanctions ever be lifted and the nuke program reconstituted.

I've never claimed to be an expert (don't even play one on TV), but I do read as many opinions as possible from recognized experts to educate myself on current issues.

You know, I've tried very hard to not post on threads that don't directly address WT-related issues, but I just have to say something here. Please understand and acknowledge that I am not on the clock and am writing representing only myself and my own personal opinion.

Let me get this straight. Some of you that have posted here are the same ones who were ready to practically march on Olympia because you found out that F&W Commissioner Lisa Pelly was at one time a member of Washington Trout, but you think that it's OK for the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES to LIE and/or DISTORT FACTS to justify SENDING U.S. FORCES INTO HARM'S WAY, not to mention spend biliions of dollars of the US treasury, sacrifice US credibility and stature abroad, kill thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians and tens of thousands of Iraqi conscripts, and further destabilize an already powderkeg-like situation. Is that about it?

Now THAT'S what I call clear, consistent thinking.

Sheesh.

I have not read all six pages but I just have to ask. Werent the missles being fired over kuwait wmds? I seem to remember on the news that they were not suppose to have those long range weapons, or the bunch of chemical weapons warheads they found that was also reported in the news but now it seems to be all about making bush look bad.

all i can say is bring our boys home now we are loseing to many for that damn country. lets just send bush and company over instead.

Ive got an idea. When all you Bush bashers get some real evidence that he purposely mis-led us, than flail away, ill be right besides all of you. Untill then lets contend it as alledgedly and or arguably, until the FACTS come to light as lying or perhaps WMD are possibly found.

101 just to keep things straight the war heads were supposedly stored and forgotted about. Even our government admitted that with Iraq that is very possable. Says a lot for thier record keeping right . As for the missles they are allowed a max range of 100 miles (I think, can't recall the exact range they are allowed).

The one they had to get rid of the the Al Simud (sp) the shorter range stuff was ok.

Racerdan, I don't think you quite get it. We own that country now. It is time for Pres Bush to prove what he said was true. If he can't then he is the one with the problems. So far all he has been able to show us is body bags.

I begin to fear the day my son may come home in one.

Bw,
The majority of America does get it you are the one of them that does not.

BW

Thank God for kids like yours, who will stand up and fight for America's as well as other nations rights.

Thank God they are willing to put men like Houssein out of business.

Thank you BW, and when your son returns, thank him for me as well.

Curtis