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#227959 - 01/15/04 02:53 PM Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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I was just reading this article that was recently published in the Seattle PI (see below). My first reaction was that it was a bunch of bull and that fishermen don't disturb eagles all that much. After thinking about it some more perhaps a good compromise for our rivers would be to limit sled access to rivers such as the Skagit, Sauk, and Wynoochee since they probably disturb the rivers a lot more than some guy floating down the river in a pontoon boat or most of the bankies. Banning sleds on some river areas could be a good compromise.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/156252_eagles12.html

Monday, January 12, 2004

Humans a threat to Skagit bald eagles, biologists fear

By KATHY GEORGE
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

ROCKPORT -- Perched atop the bare-branched cottonwoods towering over the Skagit River, the three bald eagles looked as rigid as the national bird emblem on the dollar bill.

It was morning, their prime feeding time. But as one motorboat after another roared by, these birds weren't diving for food. They rarely even moved except to soar between trees, staying high above the fray.


Gilbert W. Arias / P-I
A bald eagle takes flight from its perch atop a tree along the Skagit River. Hundreds of the birds, a threatened species, spend the winter in the area.
"I've seen a bunch of them flying but not feeding," said Carl Nickerson of Anacortes, who arrived here at 7 a.m. yesterday to fish for steelhead.

Yesterday's busy scene full of fishermen and eagle-watching tourists illustrated a trend that has long concerned wildlife biologists. Here on the Skagit, where 500 or more eagle watchers may show up on a sunny day, people are disrupting the birds' feeding.

The question is whether all that disruption affects the survival of these birds, which still are considered threatened with extinction.

Nobody is sure of the answer.

"It's pretty evident that there's some disruption of feeding," said John Grettenberger, an endangered-species supervisor with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in Lacey.

"It's not the primary threat to the species. But at the same time, we wouldn't want disturbances to increase."

Each winter the Skagit attracts hundreds of eagles, the largest concentration in the lower 48 states. On Jan. 3, for example, 289 bald eagles were counted between Rockport and Marblemount, up from 248 last year.

But a 1998 study found that recreational activities on the river caused a 35 percent reduction in feeding by the bald eagles here.

State wildlife biologists tried tracking some of the eagles after they left the Skagit to find out whether the feeding disturbances prevented them from nesting and raising offspring.

But the migrating birds nested so far away in such remote wilderness that "they actually couldn't answer that definitively," said Don Gay, a wildlife biologist with the U.S. Forest Service, which manages the stretch of the Skagit where eagles congregate.

Biologists take some comfort in the fact that the total number of eagles nesting or wintering in the state has grown or remained stable in recent years.


In 1999, the Clinton administration even proposed to take bald eagles off the threatened species list, although that proposal languished.

It's still illegal to hunt, harass or harm a bald eagle. And scaring them away from their food could violate federal regulations that prohibit "significantly" impairing the feeding or breeding habits of threatened or endangered species.

But nobody is arresting the boaters, fishermen or others who unwittingly disturb the birds here.

Given the bald eagle's overall recovery from near-extinction, federal wildlife managers have opted for mostly voluntary protections.

Commercial rafting companies and fishing boats must obtain permits to use the eagles' favorite stretch of the Skagit River between Marblemount and Rockport in the winter. And they may not hit the water until 11 a.m. -- when the birds are done feeding on the salmon carcasses that draw them here.

All others, including non-commercial boaters, are asked to voluntarily stay off the river -- and the sand bars where eagles feed -- until 11 a.m.


Gilbert W. Arias / P-I
Motorboats filled with fishermen head up the Skagit River near the town of Rockport. Wildlife biologists worry that human activity on the river is having a detrimental effect on bald eagles.
Even if everyone fully complied with those restrictions, recreational activities still would cause a 17 percent reduction in feeding by Skagit eagles, according to a 2001 report by Gay of the Forest Service.

Of course, not everyone complies. For example, Gay estimates compliance with boating launch times is about 70 percent. And yesterday, a half-dozen powerboats went grinding by the Rockport bridge from 9:30 to 10 a.m. alone.

Nickerson and his friend, Chad Sahnow, who were fishing on the river's edge all morning, didn't know they were supposed to wait to wade in. They showed up early because "the fish bite a little better in the morning," Nickerson said.

Meanwhile, the volunteers who dole out eagle-watching information at booths next to the river are there to educate visitors, not police them.

It's easy to see why so many people flock to the Skagit River. Yesterday, on a 2 1/2-hour raft trip run by Seattle-based Alpine Adventures, dozens of the noble birds decorated the trees lining the river's green waters.


Gilbert W. Arias / P-I
As a fisherman checks his line, a bald eagle takes flight with the remains of a salmon from the Skagit River near Rockport yesterday. But biologists are concerned that fishermen and tourists lured to the area, which each winter attracts the largest concentration of eagles in the lower 48 states, are disrupting eagles' feedings.
In a heart-stopping scene, an eagle lifted an afternoon snack from a sandy bar at the mouth of Illabot Creek and carried it to a nearby tree, flying close to the raft as if showing off for its admirers.

On many days, rafters can see hundreds of eagles as they float past moss-draped cottonwoods and pines framed by snow-capped mountains. The eagles rest in the trees after feeding.

For now, wildlife managers see no need for tougher restrictions. If steelhead runs attracted much greater numbers of boaters, that could change, said Gay.

"Any time you go out and play in an animal's back yard, there's potential impact," he said. "People need to be mostly aware that just their being out there makes a difference."

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#227960 - 01/15/04 03:01 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
willierower Offline
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rolleyes

500 Eagle watchers a day? If anything is bothering those things maybe its all the city slicker bird watchers.

From my experience, not a lot bothers an eagle. This is just another ploy be the anti sledders (Jealous people) to ban motorized boats from rivers..

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#227961 - 01/15/04 03:14 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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""Any time you go out and play in an animal's back yard, there's potential impact," he said. "People need to be mostly aware that just their being out there makes a difference."

True, but the eagles up here on the Skagit don't seem to be all that particular about where they are feeding, at least in my experience.

There is an area a mile or so west of the Red Apple Market here in Concrete (about MP: 86 1/2 on Hwy. 20, I think). The eagles munch oodles of salmon on the bar across the river..traffic, including semi's, whizzing by on Hwy. 20 does not seem to bother them much, if any.

We frequently get them camping out on our beach, within 75' of the house. Truly a welcome sight as they are "recycling" those now stinky Chum carcasses!

It could be there is some validity to their argument to limit boat access...but please, remember that there are some very devious and extreme animal (and fish) rights groups that will find any reason to stop and/or limit fishing, even ones with the most miniscusle of logic attached. If they (ARA's) feel they can get fishing reduced by this argument, you can bet they will have some stupid lawsuit or new legislation in the works.

If they want to reduce the harassment of the eagles, they might consider placing a distance restriction on the eagle-watchers. These are (in general) city folks who typically have little first-hand knowledge of the woods. They are ecologically minded for the most part (clean up after themselves), but don't always consider that trying to sneak up on some eagles is not the brightest or best thing to do. I think the eagles get used to seeing the boats and fishermen, but if they feel they are being "stalked" their gonna leave the area. Folks with cameras tend to "stalk" for a better picture.

Fishermen, on the other hand, mostly float or cruise on by, and while the eagles might fly up for a second, but if he/she has a tasty (ie: fresh) dead fish they are munching you can bet they will be back on that chow within seconds of the boats passing. They (eagles) are used to seeing the boats and know that no danger is coming from them.

Mis Dos Centavos...

Mike

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#227962 - 01/15/04 10:26 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
skydriftin Offline
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Registered: 01/26/02
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Loc: everett,wa
what a crock,these guys been crying about this for the last few years.Anyone who spends much time up there knows boats do not bother them one bit

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#227963 - 01/15/04 11:16 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
bullelkklr Offline
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Registered: 10/09/03
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Loc: Anchorage Alaska
Does Eagle really taste like spotted owl?

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#227964 - 01/15/04 11:29 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
rcl187 Offline
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Posts: 124
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I agree that fishermen have some impact on eagle feeding behaviour. How many times have you walked up on a bird ripping apart a salmon carcass only to have it fly away when it sees you? Does this effect it's probability of survival? I don't know. But I'm sure that it would have eaten more had I not been there. The same pretty much goes for sleds if the bird is near the water. The bird is scared off and when/if it comes back is kind of a mystery. that's my $0.02 anyways.
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#227965 - 01/15/04 11:36 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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Have shared a few gravel bars with eagles this winter on the Skagit. Some fly up to a tree when you walk up, others could care less. It seems that as long as you're not walking directly at them they don't get excited. If the birds are hungry they are going to eat. I know that a lot of the paying customers on the rafts get upset by the parade of sleds whizzing by. I think that they are making a lot of noise in the press because they don't like the sleds.
The birds are going to feed regardless of whats going on.
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#227966 - 01/16/04 01:17 AM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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Agreed. Eagles learn......fancy that. Takes a college grad to figure that out. rolleyes beathead
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#227967 - 01/16/04 01:26 AM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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Loc: Post Falls, ID
That article is a bunch of BS. There were sleds on that river long before the eagle population began rebounding. If the sleds were a problem, the eagles probably wouldn't have gone there in the first place.

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#227968 - 01/16/04 02:21 AM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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The eagles that were endangered were the lower 48 population, these are Canadian and Alaskan birds that winter down here, they have never been endangered and have been wintering down here for generations.

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#227969 - 01/16/04 05:43 AM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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Loc: north sound
I think the real problem is that all the fruits going on the raft trips don't like sleds.

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#227970 - 01/16/04 03:29 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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I think Cupo is 100% correct. A Seattle paper writes an atricle after a reporter, LIBERAL, takes a boat ride to see the eagles. Those darned fishermen in those noisy sleds put a damper on the experience, and away we go.
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#227971 - 01/16/04 05:30 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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Loc: Everett, WA, USA
Enjoyed hearing all the replies. Kind of why I posted it. I've always wanted to take a drift down the Skagit and have a gunny sack with part of a fake stuffed eagle sticking out of it as I went past the eagle watchers. If I didn't think I'd end up with a ticket for some obscure law I'd think more seriously about actually doing it and then watching their faces. Now that I think about it I remember a buddy of mine actually catching a hatchery fish as a raft of eagle folks drifted past, just in time to watch him pick up the closest stick and use it as a club. That was entertaining enough.

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#227972 - 01/17/04 03:36 AM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
cupo Offline
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The rafting clients don't care for the noise of the sleds and they usually don't have a clue about the river or the eagles. The guides wouldn't have to do much to convince them that the sleds are bad for the eagles.
I've been amazed at some of the things I've heard and seen at Howard Miller when the rafters are around.

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#227973 - 01/17/04 08:48 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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Posts: 377
Loc: The Terrace
I smell PETA propaganda
If sleds put the eagles off the feed,how come
I have watched one grab a small fish off the surface of the river in a drift we were boondogging?
If its not PETA I smell then maybe a tree hugging RAT?I mean rafter
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#227974 - 01/19/04 11:06 AM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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I was fishing the skagit in december and we watched a raft full of boy scouts run into a Stump in the middle of the river (the only one upstream of howard miller). One of the only two adults fell out of the boat. The boy scouts just watched in horror as they floated away. The only other adult in the boat had no idea what to do. We powered up to the guy floating in the back eddy of the stump , pulled him aboard and then had to go about a mile downstream to place him back on the raft. The raft never stopped or tried to get the guy. I bet the eagle watchers don't talk about fishermen helping them out when they screw up!

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#227975 - 01/19/04 03:58 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
cupo Offline
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Loc: north sound
Hey rln, when I was taking my cataraft out at howard miller one day in december I overheard a couple of guys with a sled say that they pulled a rafter out of the water. Maybe that was you?

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#227976 - 01/19/04 06:09 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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it most likely was. It was amazing the lack of concern the raft people had towards the guy that fell out. They just looked back and then paddled away not even trying the slightest to get back upstream or pull over to the shore to try and get the guy. They never asked for any help. It really looked like they were just going to leave him floating there in the back eddy and become eagle bait.

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#227977 - 01/19/04 10:55 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
wildfish Offline
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Registered: 01/19/04
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What a load of BS.

First of all, every one of us knows way more about what's good and not good for eagles than any biologists or environmentalists. I've seen eagles and I've seen boats, so don't tell me anything! I know everything I need to know, and if it inconveniences me at all, then I KNOW it's wrong.

Second, everyone knows that fishermen have way more right to use every bit of the Skagit and every other river than ANYBODY else. What makes those people from Seattle think they should even be on the river! If they want to use the river for anything else than I want to use it for, they should just forget it. In fact they shouldn't come up there at all. This river BELONGS to fishermen! People from Seattle have no right to anything. THEY should be banned from the river entirely, not jet boats for a few hours a day.

I said it before and I'll say it again. What a load of BS!

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#227978 - 01/20/04 03:11 PM Re: Eagles, Fishing, and Sleds
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Loc: Everett, WA, USA
Interesting story about the stump. I know of one guy who put his pontoon boat up the side of it, jumped out onto the stump, watched the boat float float off the stump and jumped on before it got too far away. Scary but true.

My second story about that stump was one day a few months ago I watched two guys pass me going down the river in plastic canoes. As I approached the stump I realized that one canoe was wrapped around the stump. I figured the guy made it but never heard anything about it. I guess more eagle food.

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