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Thanks for the good news Fun5Acres!

If you give a damn about fish that's too bad - they are going to have to fill in 300 feet of river and armor twice that in order to get the road back in. All to get cars a couple miles more to a roadless area to go hiking. Doh - why not start the roadless area where the road ends and not fill in the river

Spawnout,

Because common sense is an uncommon resource. And besides, there is federal flood damage money available to be spent. Imagine the adverse consequences of not spending it. Just saw a similar FS proposal for an action on a Skagit tributary today. Can't say it ain't a nutty world.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

Spawnout, SalmoG......are you fellas familiar with the Dosewalips? If you are you will be quite familiar also then with the fact that the gravel and silt fill in that has taken place over the years from washouts has about ruined everything in the lower end of the river. I suspect that poor logging practices is mostly to blame, as the sides of that river are extremely steep and have been allowed to be logged.

The impact from re-establishing the road to the upper campground (a very popular doorway into the Olympics) I'm sure will be minimal. I have looked at the damage, and it appears to me that the road will simply be cut back into the cliff further.

When I was in college, I remember a Forester/Instructor who advised that "Use through wise management" was a win/win deal. He also was adamant that the present over application of a "No Use" policy was the bane of potential nature lovers, as it did not allow, or allowed only a few, to enjoy what nature has to offer.

I agree with his assessment.

Read the article!!! It says right in it that they are going to go around the hill a ways and come back in above the washout.

Spawnout,it looks like your getting excited about something thats not going to happen.

My wife and I have a vacation home off Dosey road as do other family members.I cant wait till they get this done.

Apparently somebody already plans an appeal.That should put it off for a few more years.What a shame.

I have been fishing the Dose since I was a teenager, and I have indeed seen it go to hell. Logging is one of the reasons, especially stream adjacent parallel roads in the channel migration zone, which under the new forest/fish agreement regulations are now illegal fortunately. Well, this is a stream adjacent paralell road that will deliver runoff and sediment into the stream, will eventually wash out again with the attendant delivery of more sediment, and will invite more armoring and repair, wasting our tax dollars even further, and further perpetuating the impacts of the road on the stream. It is also access for more logging in the future, virtually guaranteed under the present administration. This is a bad idea, is in critical habitat for 3 ESA listed salmonids, and is illegal and thus quite sucesceptible to successful appeal.

And let's all think about the other impact the campground at the end of this road leads to - lots of unsupervised fishing by kids and crackers slinging single eggs into the Dose and catching "trout", which are all either juvenile steelhead or ESA listed bull trout. Even if released by having the egg hook ripped out of them they will die.

I know this sounds pretty extremist and green, and I apologize to those that this might offend, as I unlike others do not seek to use this board to pi$$ people off. However, I am damn concerned about the Dose being stomped to death by hordes of unwitting people who are attracted to easy access, and stopping the road right where it is will hopefully reverse that trend a little in addition to saving habitat and limiting the chance for more logging in the upper watershed.

This campground also gives people with disabilities a little more privacy and out of the way feeling they can not in most other camp grounds and state parks.

Never forget these people either.

Just my .02

Originally Posted:

"lots of unsupervised fishing by kids and crackers slinging single eggs into the Dose"

I'm guaranteed at least one good chuckle when I visit this board. I don"t know about the rest of the board but I immediatly pictured a saltine wearing a lifejacket and holding a snoopy pole.

F'dIn,
Wrong river. That would be more like the Bogey during brat season.