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goharley,

Don't you think that the North Vietnamese Communists had their morale aided, abetted and lifted when a U.S. Naval Officer who had served in Vietnam--went before the Senate and testified to the WHOLE WORLD that the American sevice men in S.E. Asia were RAPISTS and BABY KILLERS and that he himself was a WAR CRIMINAL like thousands of others serving there and fighting what he said was an illeagal and unjust war?

He gave this testimony that undoubtably aided and abetted the enemy while his 'brothers in arms' were still actively engaging the North Vietnamese Communists in S.E. Asia.

He gave this testimony while men like John McCain were still being held captive by the North Vietnamese communists in the Hanoi Hilton.

While his 'brothers in arms' were still fighting the communists he publically threw away the medals he was awarded in Vietnam while working with Hanoi Jane Fonda's radical pro-communist group Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

This is why Hanoi John Kerry's picture is proudly and prominently desplayed in a Ho Chi Minh City communist museum.

I know these things don't 'feel good', but they are the true facts.

Tonight at the DNC's climax you'll here from a small handfull of Vietnam Veterans who depite being referred to as RAPISTS and BABY KILLERS actually claim to like Hanoi John Kerry.
You'll see a movie put together by E.T.'s director that shows footage of John Kerry (that according to men that served with him-John Kerry correographed himself) filmed with the color movie camera he brought with him into the heat of battle. The same type of movie camera that Mcarthur brought with him to re-create his triumphant landing and return to the Phillippians.

For anyone out there that wants to read unfiltered and unscripted first-hand accounts from John Kerry's real 'brothers in arms' of how John Kerry's actions aided and abetted the North Vietnamese communists....

Check out:

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com

Viet Nam Veterans, huh? Well, since THEY were there, and I wasn't, I won't claim to know more about what happened in Nam than they do.

Did they become Communists automatically once they decided they were against the war?

Do you really think the North Vietnamese sitting in there grass huts, tunnels, and caves had access to US newspapers, TVs, and Congressional hearings to even know what Kerry was doing?

But if you sincerely believe that one man's actions can have that profound of an affect on an army that doesn't even speak or read english, then maybe he does have some unique leadership qualities.

Your opinion is based on conjecture. Find some documents, some proof. Where's the Viet Cong propoganda using Kerry's name during the war?

If your assertions are true, I guarantee you that there would be documented proof.

Typical of the GOP, you keep harping on the negative aspect of his actions after he served in combat. You fail to recognize the thousands of lives his actions saved by helping bring an end to the war. But then you don't recognize the thousands of lives lost during this war, either. :rolleyes:

Oh, and don't forget, he was there.

H20,

So now name calling has degree? A lib can justify anything it seems. There is an old saying about people and glass houses. Ever heard it?

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Dan S

It's nice to have you back poking fun at both sides.

Vietnam Veterans Against the War was the name of the group headed up by Hanoi Jane Fonda--I'm sure there were a few actual Vietnam veterans in the group, but the majority of it's membership was made up of spoiled malcontent college students that wanted to see capitalism and democrocy repalced with an idealistic communist form of government.

If you want more than my word on it- look into it for yourself at:

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstkerry.com

http://www.wintersoldier.com

Two of those links didn't work, but judging by the name I can tell they're absolutely non-partison, right? :rolleyes:

The Winter Soldier story was debunked here earlier this year. Opinionated conjecture and inconsistent deductions.

Oh, but the photo they use to support their "aiding the enemy" claim is wonderful. However, they failed to mention it was taken while he and McCain were there together reestablishing diplomatic relations so they could repatriate POWs and MIAs. There are many American families that owe him a great deal of gratitude for enabling their loved ones to come home.

Not being a vet it probably doesn't mean as much to you, though. But the way you jump on that "Hanoi Jane" bandwagon sure makes you sound like one, huh?

Amazing that a Chicken hawks can lift a mouse in an attempt to restart the Vietnam War. The Vietnam war was a mistake as history has revealed. If it's blood you seek in Vietnam why din't you choose to go and get your hands dirty? Just like Bush, you criticise the soldiers (John Kerry) who actually went to war and won medals of honor in Vietnam, while you sit back in Typical Chicken Hawk fashion waving a flag and never serving. Why aren't you pissed at Bush for avoiding Vietnam? I'm sure veterans everywhere are asking that question after seeing his weak military record (AWOL)and all it's holes.

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I've added the .com that should allow you to go directly to sites that show what the Vietnam veterans that John Kerry called "RAPISTS and BABY KILLERS" really think of Hanoi John Kerry.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstkerry.com

http://www.wintersoldier.com

http://www.swiftvets.com



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It's kind of funny that in 1971 John Kerry threw the medals he was awarded away--but now in 2004 when he thinks it's politically advantageuos he braggs about having been awarded them.
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My grandfather volunteered for the military right after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941. He served until the after conclusion of the war, and was one of thousands of men who landed on and took Normandy beach, eventually fighting the Nazi's back to Germany until Hitler committed suicide and Germany formally surrendered to the Allied forces in 1945, followed by Japan's formal surrender after we dropped 'fat man and little boy'.

Growing up I had the good fortune to spend countless hours with my grandfather who taught me how to fish along with a few other of lifes more important lessons, and I can count on two hands with a couple of fingers left over how many times he talked about his military service. When he did speak about being involved in WWII, it certainly wasn't in a bragging manner so as to build up his own persona to any within earshot.

My grandfather passed on in October of 1995, and it wasn't until his memorial service in a small church in Aberdeen Washington that was packed to the rafters with family and friends that I learned about him being wounded during the war and how highly decorated he was for his bravery.

I didn't learn about his valor on the battlefield from my grandfather because he was never one to blow his own horn. He like all humble warriors believed that when your country sends you off to war--the only real heroes are the ones who leave a piece of themselves on the battlefield and comeback less than physically whole, or those who don't come back at all.

I miss my grandpa

Had your grandfather run for president he would have had to blow his own horn....kinda goes with the territory. Certainly military command is worthy of consideration in a presidential race, usually works out best for republicans but this time....? What will be funny is to see how fast you forget we had this conversation once the shoe is back on the other foot....

...oh, say in about eight years.

Sounds to me like you could still learn a thing or two from grandpa if you tried.

"The Vietnam war was a mistake as history has revealed"

It remains such in popular opinion because most of America quit reading about it. The conflict in Vietnam paved the way for the fall of the USSR which has been well documented.

TK

It remains such in popular opinion because most of America quit reading about it. The conflict in Vietnam paved the way for the fall of the USSR which has been well documented.
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Are the books you referring to the one's that have Bush receiving many purple hearts for bravery in the line of fire while he served with honor in Vietnam? I'm still looking for that book. Only thing acomplished in Vietnam was a pile of corpses. To many of our own, including family and friends for a failed policy.

By the way Chicken Hawk, we are still waiting for you to put up or shut up. Your love for war while being a big fat Chicken Hawk is amazing. For a guy that could care less about the live's of other's in harm way, while cheering them own, suggests that you are a super coward, not brave enough to put it all on the line or risking the ultimate sacrifice in (your favorite) GW's war on Iraqi terror.

You are TheKing of disfunctional Chicken Hawks, best known as "The Mouse That Roares." I don't look forward to your 3000th post here in record breaking time(less than one year). If so, that means that we can expect piles of non-sense from TheKing Chicken and his over active but impotent mouse. I will be sure to have my handy shovel at the ready because, at the rate you're posting ( appx. 1100 or so posts), it's sure to get pretty smelly.

JLH,

If you layed off the Yoga books and the kiddy porn you might have some time for non revisionist history.

again with the sexual stuff.

methinks someone is a 'little' frustrated.

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Maybe if John Lee Hookum keeps practicing yoga--he'll eventually get limber enough to be able to pull his own head out of his own a$$.......maybe

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AuntyM,

I did not and would not suggest that my opinion was any better qualified than anyone elses'. As I've said before, American citizens ALL have a right to an opinion--it's anti-American to suggest anything to the contrary.

The point I was trying to make is that my grandpa, like your father and father-in-law were perfect examples of why their's was called the greatest generation.

They did what had to be done--and didn't spend the rest of their lives trying to be patted on the back for it, unlike a certain senator from Massachusetts we've come to know.

H20,
It's about as accurate as the chicken hawk stuff you endorse.
I was in Joyce at the store on Wednesday I asked if anyone there knew you. An old timer gave me this photo of you is that your brother or dad with you. I have not been on the Oly pen for a while I forgot that is where they get most of the extras for Village of the Damned to save on make up and special effects.

http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/uploads/UP5782.jpg

TheKing

If you layed off the Yoga books and the kiddy porn you might have some time for non revisionist history.
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That's the problem with reading someone's else's version of history. I don't need to read a book about Vietnam, The majority fully understood the issue's involved with Vietnam of that time. That's why Nixon (a Republican) brought our troops home.

I have one question, Why are you so fixated on perverted Sex? That's the second time that a Fraudian slip has revieled deep psycholical problems, causing rants and your thirst for blood and gore. I suggest that you see a Psychiatrist right away. He will help you get to the root cause of your illness. Could be early childhood trama (that's blocked from memory because it's so painful),caused by incest or molestations that's manifested in your rants, here on this board. When you look up and see the sky bleeding you need to know that it is delusional and not real blood, but clouds. They are white and fluffy clouds to everyone else and not to be feared by you. You probably have a history of breaking the legs off frogs or shooting cats with your BB gun. Those are sighs of a serious but treatable psychosis.

Now go get help, we are pulling for you. You're just sick right now, but "Hope is on the Way." Had to steal that one from Kerry and Edwards.

Don't worry about enlisting at this time because you will probably be declared inelligible for mental reasons. Your being a Chicken Hawk is not a more serious problem than the Sexual perversions and abuse issues. It's a difficult psychological condition, and most times it's best to keep people with those issues off the street, as a public saftey measure. But, seeing a continuous stream of posts here, means that you are not out victimizing some innocent little boys or girls but here at PP playing with your mouse. Sort of your way of masterbating.

Jlh,

"I don't need to read a book about Vietnam"

No need to tell us it shows!

I've seen enough.

I am still waiting for other shoe to drop Goharley.....

The 'capture' of Zarqawi?