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#444628 - 07/20/08 05:20 PM Wolves in Washington
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#444650 - 07/20/08 11:06 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: willametteriveroutlaw]
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It's a sad day. Lets hope they don't turn into the problem Idaho has had. We will never get this state to ok shooting them. they are hear to stay.


Kris

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#444673 - 07/21/08 06:15 AM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: dcrzfitter]
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Originally Posted By: dcrzfitter
It's a sad day. Lets hope they don't turn into the problem Idaho has had. We will never get this state to ok shooting them. they are hear to stay.


Kris


Huh???? I consider this great news!!! I hope we do have Idaho's problems. Not only are wolves good for Deer and Elk herds but they are also extremly benificial for trout and salmon. So a few ranchers lose a few cows.....Whaaaa! Theyv'e been running this state long enough!

Now if we can only get a few packs on the OP where they are really needed!!!!!!
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#444683 - 07/21/08 10:59 AM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: BroodBuster]
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I love to have the great preditors coming back. It brings the cycle full circle. But this state is really bad about how things are managed. The population will explode if no management is done and the seattle area will never let the colville/selkirk area do any management. Just like the hound hunting for cougars. People that make the laws have no idea what needs to be done and decide on emotion not logic.
I am excited to see them back but it is a scary thought that this side of the cascades will decide for that side how to manage wolves. We will see how it plays out.
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#444742 - 07/21/08 04:03 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
Originally Posted By: dcrzfitter
It's a sad day. Lets hope they don't turn into the problem Idaho has had. We will never get this state to ok shooting them. they are hear to stay.


Kris


Huh???? I consider this great news!!! I hope we do have Idaho's problems. Not only are wolves good for Deer and Elk herds but they are also extremly benificial for trout and salmon. So a few ranchers lose a few cows.....Whaaaa! Theyv'e been running this state long enough!

Now if we can only get a few packs on the OP where they are really needed!!!!!!


Is being delusional fun? Wolf studies since reintroduction show no help for deer and elk herd, infact they point to just the opposite. While beneficial in Yellowstone, I seriously doubt they will do [censored] for trout and salmon here, unless they chase loggers, irrigators, gillnetters, and have a special taste for indians. Best case scenario, is still having shitty salmon and steelhead runs, but atleast there will be less big game hunting opportunities!
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#444754 - 07/21/08 04:47 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: willametteriveroutlaw]
seastrike Offline
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Greg what are you talking about?????? SSS
My elk area in ID has gone to [censored] since the wolves were introduced.

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#444779 - 07/21/08 06:19 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster


Now if we can only get a few packs on the OP where they are really needed!!!!!!

I gotta respectfully disagree with you here. There is a reason there aren't wolves out there... they were all killed by the people who live there.

It always seems warm and fuzzy to look out a window in Seattle (no offense) and think, "wow, isn't it cool that there are wolves over THERE..."

Introduced wolves on the OP will inevitably be killed by locals protecting their livestock, families, and pets. Knowing this, is hardly seems worth the MASSIVE expense on the taxpayers to reintroduce them...

If the goal is to "restore" the environment to pre-white man era, why not start by removing the huge highway that brings millions of people there every year??
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#444789 - 07/21/08 07:17 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: seastrike]
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Originally Posted By: seastrike
Greg what are you talking about?????? SSS
My elk area in ID has gone to [censored] since the wolves were introduced.


Our whitetail area has pretty much ruined too over the last few years by wolves......things breed like rats.

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#444816 - 07/21/08 09:54 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: Queets guy]
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Shoot, shovel, STF up!

100 years ago there was some room for them. Yellowstone has some room for them.

If you honestly believe that wolves will be benificial in any way in Wa. or Or. you havent got a clue as to what it is really like outside of your area.
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#444841 - 07/21/08 11:48 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: sykofish]
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I think introducing wolves is a great idea as long as they're introduced to seattle, bellevue, mercer island and kirkland first. We all can deal with them in the woods just fine.
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#444872 - 07/22/08 06:17 AM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: RowVsWade]
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Hmm.....Seems to be a trend here shocked

Obvously management of any wolf packs need to be done thru hunting, which I wholeheartedly support, but I know that can be politically messed although it shouldn't be.
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#444930 - 07/22/08 02:31 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: BroodBuster]
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This should drive home my point about our state to all those looking at the issue. This is how things happen. Some group brind a suit and down goes all science. All about emotion and nothing about science. The decision process is broken when it comes to these issues. Just take the case to some judge in San Fran or Seattle and you can get whatever ruling you want no matter how stupid the decision is. Then it will be tied up in court for more years than you are alive.

GRAY WOLVES NOT TO BE DELISTED AS RECOMMENDED BY WILDLIFE MANAGERS. FEDERAL JUDGE BLOCKS EFFORT.

BILLINGS, Mont. A federal judge has restored endangered species protections for gray wolves in the Northern Rockies, derailing plans by three states to hold public wolf hunts this fall.

U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy in Missoula granted a preliminary injunction late Friday restoring the protections for the wolves in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho. Molloy will eventually decide whether the injunction should be permanent.

The region has an estimated 2,000 gray wolves. They were removed from the endangered species list in March, following a decade-long restoration effort.

Environmentalists sued to overturn the decision, arguing wolf numbers would plummet if hunting were allowed. They sought the injunction in the hopes of stopping the hunts and allowing the wolf population to continue expanding.

Click here to visit FOXNews.com's Natural Science Center.

"There were fall hunts scheduled that would call for perhaps as many as 500 wolves to be killed. We're delighted those wolves will be saved," said attorney Doug Honnold with Earthjustice, who had argued the case before Molloy on behalf of 12 environmental groups.

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Western States Schedule Wolf Hunts Green Groups Suing Government Over Wolves' Endangered Status Wolves in Rockies to Be Taken Off Endangered List Feds Plan to Remove Some Wolves From Endangered List Wolf Rules Rile Ranchers, Wildlife Advocates In his ruling, Molloy said the federal government had not met its standard for wolf recovery, including interbreeding of wolves between the three states to ensure healthy genetics.

"Genetic exchange has not taken place," Molloy wrote in the 40-page decision.

Molloy said hunting and state laws allowing the killing of wolves for livestock attacks would likely "eliminate any chance for genetic exchange to occur."

The federal biologist who led the wolf restoration program, Ed Bangs, defended the decision to delist wolves as "a very biologically sound package."

"The kind of hunting proposed by the states wouldn't threaten the wolf population," Bangs said Friday. "We felt the science was rock solid and that the delisting was warranted."

Bangs said government attorneys were reviewing Molloy's court order and would decide next week whether to appeal to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.



Edited by docspud (07/22/08 02:33 PM)
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#445040 - 07/22/08 10:38 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: RowVsWade]
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You guys nailed it right on. wolves have not been a good thing in any state when we are not allowed to manage them like other game.

And for putting wolves on the OP. now thats funny no matter who you are!! The locals out in that erea won't control them anybetter than the locals in Montanna, Idaho or any other state. I'm not against haveing wolves. It's just like was said. King County will have them managed like our bear and cats.


Shoot , shovel and shutup and make sure you put the radio collar on a train or cross country truck ASAP.

In my Opinion the reason the bunny hugers and Indians wanted them back in the lower states is all part of the grand plan to finally stop ALL hunting. With the over population of natural predators like the WOLF, Bear and Cougar they will have more muscle to stop hunting. Think about it!!!!


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#445414 - 07/25/08 11:19 AM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: dcrzfitter]
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I'm tired of this treehugger hippie talk "the circle of life" crap.

The only way you are going to bring nature back to it's original state is to completley remove mankind from the equation.


We have broken islands of habitat in the lower 48.

What we are trying to achieve is an artificial balance without population crashes of predator and prey so everyone can be happy.

My buddy is heavily involved in the wolf control project in Alaska's unit 13.
He traps them all winter and then is the aerial gunner when they shift gears to reduction mode.
He sent me an 8x10 of 97 wolf hides tacked up on his barn after a successful season.
The limp wristed fags get their panties twisted and scream at the top of their lungs.."That's not hunting!" ..."That's not sporting!".
Hell no it ain't, it is a population control measure designed to artificially increase the moose & caribou populations.

Alaska fish & game has the balls to tell the stinking hippes to FO.










WAYYYYYYYYY too many sentimental lefty bastards in Washington to EVER let the game departments enact sound wildlife management as far as controlling wolf numbers.

I'm stuck down here in Cali with our "holy grail" predator the mountain lion.
I've seen five in the last two years while hunting.
My son saw one two nights ago.
My neighbor has legally killed nine in the last dozen years on depredation permits when they kill his livestock.
They kill an average of 20 a year in my county on depredation permits which is WAY more than fish & game had ever proposed back before the dumbass treehuggers tied their hands with prop 117 which took management of lions out of the game department's hands.

Bitter?
Hell yes I am, I'm sick of the emotional city dwellers that derive all their knowledge from animal planet dictating wildlife management that directly affects people that have to deal with predators.

Wipe them all out?
Absolutley not.

INSTILL A MANAGEMENT PLAN FROM THE START!

Remove ballot box wildlife management and leave management to the professionals.







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#445439 - 07/25/08 01:51 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: Salmonella]
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agree
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#445441 - 07/25/08 02:20 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: RowVsWade]
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....but that puppy is so cute. I'm sure if we got in touch with its feelings, and had a howl-in out at Wolf Haven.....

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#445505 - 07/25/08 11:59 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: stam


BTW, cool pics salmonella




+1 I really like the wolf in the leg trap.


(FYI of the 18 of us that put in for X3a, only one drew this year)(it wasn't me frown)

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#445538 - 07/26/08 11:32 AM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: Tackle Shack]
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The wolf thing is a complex deal. I live in Idaho and its been a hot topic. A couple of facts.

1> Elk harvest numbers are actually up
2> Elk herds have actually seen an increase in numbers
3> Certain units have seen a serious decline in elk numbers while others have not followed that trend. The Salmon river and Selway have been hit pretty hard by wolf related losses while the southern units, Boise and Payette for example have seen gains and have the same number of wolves around.

Why ??? they don't know why. Its pretty strange.

True story.. the biggest problem the anti wolf crowd has is the dip sticks they let do the talking for them. Its always some freaking rancher. This dude is crying about losing money, and appealing to hunters to help him out. However, he is the same rancher who has thousands and thousands of acres of land locked up and has zero intention of letting any " hunters" on his land. Never has, and never will. But he wants your help.

A couple of years ago, a Grangeville guy was out chasing bears with hounds. Bad deal.. a pack of wolves killed his pack of hounds. So this gets national attention. Here is how the nation viewed it. " There I was beating up a Mexican, and a car full of Niggers stopped and beat my ass !!! can you believe it !!"..

So then you get some bubbas blabbing away on T.V about how wolfs should all be killed and whatever. The Peta types just pick them apart because rednecks are so freaking stupid. They have a valid point but they have to say a bunch of other ignorant crap to go along with it. The avg sportsman gets lost in the wash.

Same deal with the freaking NRA.. and the whole fruit cake gun nut crowd. I love guns. So why do I always have to have some douche bag with a AK 47 talking about how we should all carry guns to work and bla bla bla.. out front doing the talking for me.

I forgot what the topic was
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#445551 - 07/26/08 03:47 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: B-RUN STEELY]
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#445588 - 07/27/08 01:38 PM Re: Wolves in Washington [Re: LoweDown]
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Loc: Tenino, wa U.S.A.
Yep, I would love to see wolves but only if we are allowed to control them. The wolf is a really cool animal and very smart. I agree. We can't hunt them if we have them. my problem is we won't be allowed to do anything to control them. wdfw won't even be allowed to harm them. look at the sea lions. we trap them and take them back to the ocean just to return again and again.



Those picks of all the hides are cool. what happens to them? does he sell them? I want some of them if he does!!! my little 1 year old girl loves playing with her coon skins. I bet she would love a few wolf hides to roll around with!!! she's growing up to really love animals. LOL

funny thing about our deer unit in Idaho. the wolves have only been killing the BIG bucks and only when they are in rut. now the moose have really been hit hard and the elk are ok but so damn spooky it's unreal. One cow call or bugle and they will run. you won't ever hear a real elk talk anymore for fear of the wolves. One guy we talked to was doing some little chirps while archery hunting from a stand and the next thing he knew he had wolves under him!!! I personally thought it would be cool but would freek some guys out. LOL


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