facts or no,you're still arrogant

This thread is now AWSOME!

Carry on.

Back to the original question about the gov wanting people to narc on others that don't hold the governments views on healthcare, that is OK with you progressives? And if I go to a townhall meeting and one of those goons from the SEIU that the Obama team sicked on those that had the gall to disagree lays a finger on me is going to find out that I have a mean streak and it takes a good minute or two to run it's course.

Use caution Jerry. One of those goons might be a plain clothes sherriff deputy with a tazer. I dont know if your old heart can take it...

Aunty M, aunty em
I with you on this Toad is just reaffirming that socialized health care is wrong, in that those who work pay for those who don't.

personally I think the original topic is frightening. This whole PP site is fishy and who knows what obammy and his goons might be up to with the info they gather.

Best thread ever!

Kind of funny seeing the liberal's screaming "FOUL" when the ultra right folks use their own tricks against them. Both sides are acting like children though. (I'm talking about the folks at these meetings, not necessarily the folks here, but that may change soon.)

By the way, In before the lock!

DOOOOOOD!!!!! i go out in the woods for a bit and miss all this!! back to the woods i go. civilization is too much for me.

So let me see if I've got this straight: M and her better half work most of their lives and retire. All that time they've presumably been paying taxes. Feeding the system, so to speak.

Now that they've retired and are expecting what they were promised, they find they are still paying for medical care. Although not as much as some do.

Sounds to me like the Medicare System. Pay into it all your life, (unless you're an illegal immigrant or someone that came over from the old country for family re-unification and collect so that the Dems can get their vote) and then get some sort of medical benefits that you still pay for.


And JG, I'd love to go to one of those townhalls and raise a ruckus. I would take immeasurable delight in a confrontation with one of those Democrat dispatched Goombahs that took exception to what I had to say.

Funny times, funny times.
I always think of that "H" word when I hear this crap. People complaining about tactics they invented being used against them. Even worse is the fact that each and every one of the left would scream like little school girls if the right had proposed collecting decenting veiws. I could only imagine what would be said yet we get silence. There is no defense for doing this but at least some(not all) on the right would have had the balls to say so. None on the left appear to.
You do have to give it to BO though. I do love and admire how good at politics he is. Everyone who does not follow the white house is now an "operative". What a word. Like some russian operative or spy. Reminds me of the old Hoover days when the decenters were "communists". Everything is a conspiracy and anyone who does not think like me is a communist......I mean operative. Crap I mix those up sometimes.
They are masterful at this though. Better than anyone in recent memory. The way he avoids the true issues and makes everything an us against them type of arguement. You have to admire the guy. Politics 101.....that might even be 201.
I just wonder who the next boogyman will be when they put forth the tax hike to pay for this plan. Rush, Hannity, foxnews, insur comp, the last admin, the list is endless. And better yet, how many will fall in line with it. The masses I am sure. We will have the usuals here defending it no matter how bad it is and preaching the white house talking points. Preaching about the boogyman to avoid the true issue.

Wow, Jerry. Is that really what's going on?

Freefall comes to mind.

Re: original question. I didn't hear it, but if Obama is taking the names of those opposed to the gov't. health plan, that is just as wrong as when Bush said, "either you're with us, or again' us," in reference to his war on "terra". Unbelievably stupid if true.

BTW, my Congressman, who's held 300 town hall meetings in his 11 years in Congress, is holding none, zero, nada this summer cuz of stories about health care complainers showing up and acting rowdy. What a nitwit! Holy Fvck! Democracy is rowdy. At the moment I'm thinking Dems were better behaved under Clinton.

Sg

Although not as much as some.
Oh, you mean the monthly co pay and Medicare part B premium, as compared to the $800-$1,000 per month they would pay IF they could get insured at all?
And what would these old folks get if the republicans had their way. Oh yeah, nada. The Rs fought Medicare tooth and nail, just like they fought against Social Security. If they had been as good at telling lies then as, they are now - ala Palin's death panels, etc. we wouldn't have Medicare today. Imagine the health of this nation if seniors had no health coverage. There would be massive bankruptcies and old folks losing their homes.

It cracks me up to see seniors raising hell about not wanting Gobmint health care at the same time they are happily enrolled in Medicare.

Democracy IS and should be rowdy Salmo... but what's happening at these town hall meetings being put on by Democratic members of Congress IS NOT democracy in action, IMO.

Right-wing groups such as "Freedom Works" are financing, providing scripts to and bussing a bunch of ignorant, ginned up with hate, redneck morons to these events to shout down the speakers and disrupt the process.

Protesting and voicing your opposition is one thing... and a GOOD thing... but that's not what's been happening. These right-wing extremists are REFUSING to allow the process to even happen... which is stifling the very democracy they claim to be exercising.

These Democratic members of Congress have received death threats, have been lynched in effigy and have had fights break out at their events... and all of this over healthcare reform? What does carrying posters of Obama with a hitler moustache and swastikas have to do with healthcare reform? This is a well-organized effort on the part of those who stand to lose the most by any changes in our current system to prevent at all costs any disruption to the status quo.

No wonder your Congressperson (Baird?) doesn't want to hold any town halls. What REAL good would it do?

As far as the govt. soliciting Americans to narc on their fellow citizens in a concerted effort to stamp out ANY resistance to the implementation of their healthcare plan... you would have to be a paranoid, hate-mongerin', FOX-watchin', right-wing simpleton to believe that to be true!

Which would explain WHY it has the support that it does... I suppose?

So now Brian Baird compares people who are against the current healthcare reform plan to Nazi's, lynch mobs, and Tim McVeigh.

Clark County Columbian article on Baird.

Seems like he can't stand a little pressure.

Maybe Baird has been wtaching Rush?

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908060021

Whoa big guy...............with Soc Sec you go back and read the testimony on what it would cost and provide well before you whiz dung through the mix. What promised was miles away from what we ended with and the same Medicare. You do yourself a injustice.

Oh yes I retired early, am on Soc Sec with union pension & Med that will cost me $50 a month. Frankly I see nothing wrong with the system.......now my brother that pays $1200 a month and has been self employeed most of his life might think I need an mental adjustment.

Rush is a total moonbat whacko, Dave.

Well there's one thing we can agree on!

The bottom line is both are God sneds to the American people and both were opposed by the Republicans. Are they perfect - hell no - for example both parties raided Social Security. Are they better thna the current system where many people end their lives on Medicaid -welfare, because no one can afford the cost of a serious bout with cancer and a few years in a nursing home - hell yes.

I find it laughable that so many hate welfare but end up putting their parents in a nursing home that is funded by Medicaid, which is welfare.

If you find Social Security to be such a problem feel free to refund you next check - I'm keeping mine.

Now now now. I will keep my check thank you but Dave I am on my wife's death benefit. Had not it been for that the 80k she paid in and her employer matched gone as mine if I kick the bucket which Soc. Sec is counting on as if we all lived to 90 then all gone. Before I was borne my grandmother was one of the first to get L&I so many years ago when my gramp was killed so I understand programs and intent.

I do not have probs with government programs but none have done or have cost what the nation was promised and this happens as we get used to this then expand for that reason, then expand for this reason or add a benefit for that reason. Want a read big guy???? Go get the congressional testimony on what, how, and what rates the income tax would be when it was implemented AND WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE PROMISED.

So when you talk medical for all then everyone then one should approach with caution. You should not trust the SOB that says oh we will control cost so it doesn't cost anymore as they piling BS on 10 ft deep deep just the same as the SOB who says oh everyone can have health care we don't need to change anything. Both are lying SOB's.

We need government programs to help those who can't for what ever the reason. Health care big example but it needs boundaries that stick so both parties can't use it to buy votes. Which big guy is why 90% of the changes in the tax code since the income tax and other social programs have been about. We let the SOB's in DC ( both R & D ) use our tax money to finance programs and just pure PORK to buy our votes. WE deserve what we get and it will rhyme with shucking!