#668304 - 03/08/11 06:11 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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BUCK NASTY!!
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Is hunting "not sporting" because the prey is not willingly walking into the bullet/shot/arrowhead? My elk last year was nearly eating out my hand when I touched off the arrow at 6.5 yards, it was so close I picked the shot between the 2nd and 3rd rib... I flossed the hell of it's heart.... Keith
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#668305 - 03/08/11 06:33 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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Spawner
Registered: 03/01/11
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Loc: Tacoma
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I couldn't agree more with the anti-flossers. Come on dude, flossing is snagging and very little sport is involved. I'm not denying that it may take skill to be a good flosser just as it takes skill to be a poacher. Now that I think about it you may have something. You could start the first annual Floss Fest and Poaching Show. Or maybe it could be called Poach Fest or even better than that how about Flossapaloosa?! You can have a light line floss derby. One booth could have a seminar called "The Treble Hook Advantage". This booth would demonstrate the advantages of snagging with a treble hook and a 15 pound downrigger ball. There is always spear fishing. You can debut a new theme song called "Flossing with the Oldies!" Flossing is for human teeth and not for poaching. Although I knew a guy that flossed with 20 LB Maxima...and he really was flossing his own teeth. I'm almost sure he hooked himself in the mouth.
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#668307 - 03/08/11 06:34 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Why is it harder to release a fish that is snagged in the ass instead of snagged in the face? I'd say you're even less likely to hit an eye or tongue, or gill, if you just asshook 'em...
Where they are hooked is not a consideration between snagging and fishing...
Fish on...
Todd
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#668310 - 03/08/11 06:45 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 01/10/08
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It's especially flossing when they attack the surface film and proceed another 7' vertically, and it's 85 degrees, and I'm wearing a t-shirt, and I haven't thought about salmon in 8 months. Let's not confuse the issues. Fly fishing done right is not flossing, even if flossing done right involves "flies." Think it must be time to polish up the triple lenses, recalibrate the headphones, and oil up the step ladder. IS out.
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#668314 - 03/08/11 06:59 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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River Nutrients
Registered: 02/14/06
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[quote=Nor Cal Drifter] My ethics don't change at all on the reds. It is known flossing with the intent to kill. A straight up harvest of meat. RR - Not trying to argue - trying to understand. So...is it OK then to floss when in AK if I am going to harvest the fish? What if I am goingt o C&R? What if I am fishing in the lower 48 and I plan to harvest the fish - a straight up harvest of meat - is it OK then? Or is it always taboo once you cross the border with AK? There is no argument. Floss fish all you want, I don't care, but just don't say there is any sport in it. Just like flossing reds on the Kenai or whatever. I wouldn't have a probelm doing it (because it is legal), but I also wouldn't classify it as sport fishing. You can cork your bat, improve your lie, stack the deck, or floss your fish I don't care. It is not sporting and without the sport, what is the point? There are a lot of unwritten rules in the sports world, if you willingly choose to break them that is your call, no one else's.
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#668321 - 03/08/11 07:35 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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Spawner
Registered: 12/20/10
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Where I come from, flossers/snaggers are just guys who have given up on getting the fish to bite. I theorized that they struggled more with this problem because their fingers smell like shitt.
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#668326 - 03/08/11 08:02 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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BUCK NASTY!!
Registered: 01/26/00
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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There should be a fishing ediquette(sp?) course simular to the hunter safety course that is required to get your fishing liscense. Those that were taught ethics/morals as kids by responsible parents would probably breeze through it. Those that fail should be forced to study the sportsman's code of unwritten rules. Those whose fingures smell like shitt should be taught to wipe correctly. As the Mystical Man once said............Educate. Ban Eagle Claw, Ugly Stick, Fenwick, FLY rods and all rods under $100 and you eliminate flossers... Keith
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#668330 - 03/08/11 08:14 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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BUCK NASTY!!
Registered: 01/26/00
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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One of the most entertaining things during the summer steelhead season is watching fly guys hog a hole trying to floss a group of fish laying there.... $400 glasses, $600 rod, $500 reel, $1000 getup on and they sit there and try to line the fish. I've always been impressed with their focus and concentration... Diehard bugchuckers... Nothing like that evil eye you get when you walk up to talk to them... Keith 
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#668332 - 03/08/11 08:20 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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Dah Rivah Stinkah Pink Mastah
Registered: 08/23/06
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Loc: zipper
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 flossing reds in Alaska IS snagging but it's ok, everybody does it.
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#668338 - 03/08/11 08:40 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
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AK sockeye is all about pure unadulterated HARVEST of NON-biting fish.
They can either be gillnetted, dipnetted, and/or snagged in the mouth.
AK residents have the option to exercise the full array of choices.
Nonresidents have only one choice... snagging them in the mouth.
Snagging them anywhere else is NOT allowed by law, but like most wak/stak fisheries, the practice runs rampant.
Angling it is NOT....
Angling entails attracting a fish to your offering and enticing it to strike.
Willful take on the part of the fish is the fundamental premise of angling as a sport.
The act of force-feeding them a length of monofilament, no matter how slyly or cunningly executed, versus the act of enticing willful take are mutually exclusive endeavors.
CASE CLOSED
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#668339 - 03/08/11 08:41 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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Spawner
Registered: 01/28/05
Posts: 730
Loc: Sacramento, CA
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 flossing reds in Alaska IS snagging but it's ok, everybody does it. Todd asked me what my point was when I protested his comment that I was simply looking for an argument. The quote above sums it up. I can't get past the hypocrisy of the guy who slams flossing but then turns around and does it in AK. It's ok there because it's meat fishing, but not ok here. Makes no sense to me. Like one previous post said...is hunting unethical because the deer didn't take the bullet or arrow in the ribs willingly? What about guys who use feeding stations. The list goes on. I just find it interesting how so many here believe they know with 100% certainty what is "ethical."
Edited by Nor Cal Drifter (03/08/11 08:42 PM)
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#668341 - 03/08/11 08:52 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
[Re: Nor Cal Drifter]
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27840
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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It's not "fishing" when they do it in Alaska, either, even if it is legal, just because they use a fishing rod.
If that's what you were getting at, then why the comments about hooking them in safer spots, or the "sport" of the fight (regardless of how they are hooked), or whatever?
If your point was really...really?...to point out that those who think flossing fish around here are hypocrites because they think it's ok to floss sockeye on the Kenai, then why didn't you just say that?
Seems to me that you're looking for a justification for flossing, sorry...there is none, not if you want to call it "fishing", instead of snagging.
Fish on...
Todd
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#668342 - 03/08/11 08:52 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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Spawner
Registered: 12/20/10
Posts: 950
Loc: the moon
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I find it funny when flossers have to search for rationale.
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#668345 - 03/08/11 08:57 PM
Re: "Flossing" - A Different Angle
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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I find it funny when flossers have to search for rationale. They always do, and it always comes down to calling those who choose not to snag some sort of hypocrite. I'm surprised the "food is expensive", "they're just hatchery fish", or "who are you to judge?" comments have come out yet...they're the usual progression of this twice yearly subject. Sometimes they even roll into the "Do you always drive the speed limit?" and "Are you always honest on your taxes?" comments...seriously. Fish on... Todd
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