Salmonella,

We probably aren't far apart.

Sg

Wolves are a beauty species..

but I have had the privledge to live in an enviroment where locals have the same respect..wolves kill. It is the species survival instinct. Maybe posting wolfporn and not living where they have makes you feel pretty fine..Yes I have seen moose kills and deer..I found it amazing. Then I went fishing packing a ice auger and jigging rods snowshoes without a firearm and it was all good.

i see both sides in means..Just do not let em go..Let nature take its...ya know..course..

The more we intrude the more we find a reason the take em out..

2Many,

You're welcome. I'm sorry education escaped you, but then being an uneducated idiot appears to be more your aptitude. FYI, not all rancher complaints about wolf depredation have been limited to cases on private property, which is why I drew the distinction. A lot of ranchers conveniently fail to draw the distinction between the public land they lease for grazing and their privately held property. It's a distinction with a difference.

Sg

2MANY is obviously some kind of sociopath. That sponge idea is f'n twisted on a BTK serial-killer type level. If you want a wolf dead, then shoot it. But that sponge thing is something that should get YOU shot, not the wolf.

Seek help.

It doesn't take a city boy to know that sh!t is fu.cked-up and only a twisted individual would even consider doing it. I grew up in Shelton killing everything in sight, not Seattle.

A wolf is just a dumb animal doing what dumb animals do. It's not like they come creeping around with malice trying to screw over some rancher.

You sure, rumor was one might blow your house down....

My opinion on the wolves for what it matters.. I just hope like hell they don't release them into the Gifford Pinchot or anywhere near Mt. St. Helens for that matter and if they do then you might as well bring the Grizzly bear back too...

Keith

Yea I said it but I do agree with what Salmo said above. I am selfish because I like to see a lot of elk around. I also believe I don't deserve to hunt them anymore because I have allowed myself to get to far out of shape to do it properly. I do hope to see my kids do it someday. I don't want all wolves dead. Just every one we can find in Wa and Idaho(not every single wolf in Wa and Id) for a few years until a decent form of managment is found. I have been told that these are not the same wolves that were once in the area. Maybe a few packs of laughing hyenas would be cool to have around too. I hear kids love those things or maybe its the other way around. I do know they make some neat noises to listen to. I am not educated with facts on the this and admit that I may be full of chit on this subject. I just don't think we need to jump up and down and scream whooopy because these thing are spreading like wild fires and have made it to Washington. They have been gone for a long time and the rite ones may be gone for ever. Do we really want to gamble whats left of our natural mule deer population and elk herd on hoping it will all work out. It just seems to me there is no lack of what is needed to get a solid population of wolves set up hear. Do we want to rush it and not be prepared for it while we can sit back and learn from Idaho and Montana at no cost to us.

Damn now I need to keep an eye out for a pair of Birkenstocks in case I find myself hanging out with Salmo at the next clam fry.

The "right" ones? Back 15,000 years ago there were no wolves in a lot of WA as glaciers covered a lot of the state. And even more of BC. As conditions change, animals move; plants too.

If you hold the standard of Genetic Purity for wolves and grizzlies then why not elk and fish? Lots of elk were moved around in the 20s and 30s to replenish overhunted herds. Most game from Yellowstone, where they had "too many". There have been thread upon thread here about the spread of hatchery fish genes. If a fish can't trace it's ancestry directly and purely back to the "original" wild fish, should we remove them?

Do past mistakes make it ok for new ones.

The point isnt that I don't want wolves. I actually would like to see them in Washington if I new it wasn't going to explode into a problem and for more selfish reasons ruin something I enjoyed doing very much and hope that my kids get the chance to do as well. They are not carp. They have come a long way in a short time and we can't just drag some rotenone in a bag behind a boat and clean them out of an area we don't want them. I know think they are coming in a big way. I know believe nothing will be done about it until we have suffered a great loss. I don't have to like it and I am woried about it.
My brothers are elk nuts one of them an x wdfw employee that still volunteers with them. The area they have hunted in Idaho for years is now vertualy void of elk but they do hear and see signs of wolves. They are not hunting from roads and plan on 3 to 5 days of packing just to get an animal back to their rigs. I BELIEVE it is a very real and serious problem in Idaho and know a lot of people agree with me.Just how I see it

Got a hunch we may have a few Grizzlies around too. That is cool with me.

Yes we do. Seen once N. of Lk. Wenatchee. Actualy not too far from where that Bellevue City Councel member got mauled by a black bear.

Since I had to drive by the ranger station I stopped and reported it. They called a couple of days later and thanked me for reporting it. They confirmed it was a Sow with a cub and was indeed a Grizzly!

This was on a hike in the area. I asked the ranger if I should consider myself in Grizzly country (I never hang my food) N. of Hwy 2. They told me to consider myself in Grizzly country N. of I-90

A Woodland Caribou, wolvorine and a wolf are now the only specias left on my Wa. bucket list

I would love to see a wolvorine in the wild. I have seen wolves in B.C. and a wooldand caribou in AK. Do we have any of them in WA?

Dave, the caribou in Washington are different than the Alaska/Canada caribou, I believe.

The Selkirk herd lives in northwest Idaho/northeast Washington, and in Canada north of those areas...I've never been to see them, but apparently it isn't hard...they know where they are, and you just go and see them...lots of moose up there, too.

Fish on...

Todd

http://www.blm.gov/id/st/en/prog/wildlife/sensitive_species/selkirk_mountains.html

Fish on...

Todd

i saw a wolvorine outside elma 40 some years ago

The one I saw was south of 90. The third of three bears I saw for the day. Not a huge bear but little ears, a hump and was brown. One of the first two was also brown but not the same color. Didn't seem to move the same either.

Some woodlands around Sullivan Lake.
Had a badger scare me so bad once I thought it was a wolvorine. He was in my brothers trap and wasn't to happy about it.

Dave -
Saw a Wolvorine in the Sauk drainagge in the late 1990s and saw a wolvorine road kill from Whatcom County (near Acme) the year before. There is one seen every once in a while in the North Cascade as well as either Grizzly or their tracks (have seen their tracks but not the bear). I think the wildlife in the wilder portions of the Skagit/Sauk are as much as an attraction for me as the fish.

Tight lines
Curt

The WDFW had a camera placed outside a Wolverine den in the Methow or Pasayten a year or two ago. I too would like to see a Wolverine in WA.

See if you guys can tell what is going on in this photo. Taken yesterday on a fixed wing flight near the north boundary of Denali National Park.