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#683798 - 05/18/11 01:59 PM Re: Sea Lions Can be Killed [Re: SBD]
Todd Offline
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Hunt them down because their impacts directly compete with man?

Fish on...

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#683800 - 05/18/11 02:03 PM Re: Sea Lions Can be Killed [Re: Todd]
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No way to increase the food source without a jackhammer and some C4, so I guess it's the only option. It's a big contentious battle in my world with my non fishing voting friends who say sorry fishing is going to stop before the Sealions are killed. Stay tuned!
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#683805 - 05/18/11 02:40 PM Re: Sea Lions Can be Killed [Re: SBD]
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Registered: 05/30/08
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I read Maximum Salmon by DC Reid a few years back and that book made me question the authors understanding of salmon. It also made me realize that I didn't know nearly enough about the salmon I wanted to catch. I also had a very short chronological perspective and was pointing fingers at others growing up, while watching my dad drain his used oil filters over the storm drain. I been trying to get more active and have read quite a few books since then, thanks to that one lame book that was offering to help me maximize my salmon kill. Some of the better books have been "salmon without rivers" and the "king of fish: the ten thousand year run". Those were eye openers because of the species info but also, and this was key for me, the historical information pertaining to mans dealings with the resource starting with the Atlantic salmon in Europe and then east coast and how those same people eventually came to California, Oregon and Washington. Alaska may be what it is because it took so long for cannery men to get there. Kamchatka may be a time machine...

I am beginning to feel that if people keep shifting the baseline fwd and only look at how we are doing in comparison to a few years back, people can make anything look like a good decision. I am most concerned about the species and health of the oceans because my 4 year old son might not be able to even imagine what I had growing up on a beach on Whidbey in the 70s/80s. What I didn't know then was how much the resource had diminished from 70 (even 40) years earlier. I am no expert and never will be, but it looks to me that education (with historical perspective) is going to be one of the major keys to preserving these amazingly resistant animals. Hatcheries at the base of the dams? Splash dams? Snag clearing? Holy cow we have done a nice number on fish that symbolize the NW.

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#683842 - 05/18/11 04:30 PM Re: Sea Lions Can be Killed [Re: Todd]
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Registered: 03/17/05
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Originally Posted By: Todd
Hunt them down because their impacts directly compete with man?

Fish on...

Todd



Pretty good post, except for the punctuation.

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#683850 - 05/18/11 05:02 PM Re: Sea Lions Can be Killed [Re: Keeper]
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"Hatcheries at the base of the dams? Splash dams? Snag clearing? Holy cow we have done a nice number on fish that symbolize the NW. "



Don't forget dredging, pumping raw sewage into the rivers, nitrogen and insecticide runoff from farming and not to mention the 1000's of miles of blocked spawning habitat. The list goes on and on, when you get rid of people you will fix the problem.
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#683852 - 05/18/11 05:06 PM Re: Sea Lions Can be Killed [Re: ]
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Cuz what we don't know won't hurt us I guess.
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#683893 - 05/18/11 08:25 PM Re: Sea Lions Can be Killed [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: AuntyM
SBD, if we are OK with poisoning ourselves, why would we care if we poison the fish?



Excellent point.

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#683901 - 05/18/11 09:18 PM Re: Sea Lions Can be Killed [Re: Oregonian]
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#683923 - 05/18/11 11:43 PM Re: Sea Lions Can be Killed [Re: ]
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I believe a few dead mammals floating down the river would quickly remedy a number of annoying issues.
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#684185 - 05/20/11 06:26 PM Re: Sea Lions Can be Killed [Re: ParaLeaks]
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