#694980 - 07/21/11 03:58 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/29/99
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I don't mean to hijack this thread, but it's an interesting pic from Parker. I normally cut my herring at an angle so it rolls on its axis. However, the pic shows the herring cut perpendicular to the body, that is, there is no angle. Maybe it's just the way the pic was taken. However, if it was cut perpendicular, I'm curious what type of roll it has when it's cut in this manner. Presumably it catches fish just fine. (I might have concerns about Parker's contributions to this BB, but I've never doubted his ability to catch fish.)
I mean that........
Back to the question - I always tie my rigs solid, no slip. I use the width of three fingers (index, middle, ring) as a general guide to the distance between the hooks. I might vary the distance slightly depending on the size of the herring.
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#694981 - 07/21/11 04:23 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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The Beav
Registered: 02/22/09
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Loc: Oregon Central Coast
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I guess I'm doing it all wrong again. Fixed leaders for both cut plugged or whole herring. There's no need for anything that slips if one cuts and rigs a cut plugged herring correctly. Hook size and gapshank between the hooks is dependent on the size of bait you are using. Usually, that's a 3/0 or 4/0 hook. There's no need for anything that slips if one puts the hook in it's proper place and location on a whole herring. Hook size and gapshank between te the hooks is dependent of the size of bait you using. I like the bottom hook to be at or near the tail of the hern when rigged with either. That hangback crap is for the birds and Doc.  I'm out to kill ALL salmon when using herring. I want to them to GAG on it and DIE! DIE! DIE! Choke on this, you kingbitches!  Don't matter if that back hook is buried in the hern or not. Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont. As others have pointed out, I do run my hootchie rigs with a trailing hook well beyond the skirt of the hootchie...for those damn "nippers". ChinookNippers MUST DIE too!!!!!! All hatchery kings MUST DIE!!!! +1
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#694982 - 07/21/11 04:27 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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River Nutrients
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Parker said "Don't matter if that back hook is buried in the hern or not. Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont."
If you are mooching and have to cast you bait away from the boat to avoid tangles it can be useful to bury the trail hook, as it will keep the trail hook from hanging up on the leader or mainline on the cast. If you are motor mooching or trolling I don't bury the trail hook, as I believe the "Westport rig" spins tighter and easier.
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#694983 - 07/21/11 04:33 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 10/20/10
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if you are fishing the wall off Tofino and are using whole horse herring you better have some slip leaders or your trailing hook will be half way up the herring.
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#694985 - 07/21/11 04:39 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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President- Oregon 20 Club
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I guess I'm doing it all wrong again.
Yup
Fixed leaders for both cut plugged or whole herring.
Nope That hangback crap is for the birds and Doc. I'm out to kill ALL salmon when using herring. I want to them to GAG on it and DIE! DIE! DIE! All hatchery kings MUST DIE!!!! Yup JD
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#694990 - 07/21/11 04:47 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Did you get that, Paker?
Jdarr and his 40-something years of experience has spoken.
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#694993 - 07/21/11 04:53 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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President- Oregon 20 Club
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There's no right or wrong.....only favorite, laying down the law of right and wrong is for argumentative satisfaction, not fishing success.
Good point Stam. You can  until your face turns blue, but if you fish over a bunch of fish, you can catch them on a crushed up beer can. I'm only sharing the observations I've seen first hand in my small amount of experience trolling herring  JD
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#694998 - 07/21/11 05:07 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
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40+ years here too. I cut them like Parker's pic which produces a tight, fast roll. My trailer goes into the cavity, out the side then dangles at the tail. I wouldn't be caught dead using a banana colored banana weight though. That's for boat ho's.
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#695000 - 07/21/11 05:14 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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The Tide changed
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40+ years here too. I cut them like Parker's pic which produces a tight, fast roll. My trailer goes into the cavity, out the side then dangles at the tail. I wouldn't be caught dead using a banana colored banana weight though. That's for boat ho's. Thats not Parkers way or weight, thats just the guy who was showing Parker how to do it, does it. It is Parkers picture though  Nice Pic Parker! 
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#695002 - 07/21/11 05:19 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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Thats not Parkers way or weight, thats just the guy who was showing Parker how to do it, does it.
Isn't that how most boat Ho's do it? Go with guys that are good and then when you go do it like they do it, you make it look like you reinvented the wheel? It's a tried and true boat ho technique JD
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#695017 - 07/21/11 06:27 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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President- Oregon 20 Club
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[/quote] If you want people to think you re-invented the wheel you're in the wrong game, you should be in the wheel biz. [/quote] Wrong business for sure. Even if you did come up with something new you'd either hear some say "we've been doing it like that for years" or everyone would say you're full of chit and since those are the two options, you may as well not tell them in the first place. Makes you wonder what's new out there that people are missing out on  JD
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#695024 - 07/21/11 06:42 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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River Nutrients
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I like solid tie and about the width of my hand to six inches apart.
I grew up mooching Pt. D and No Point. Either whole, peg the trailing hook at the tail, or Westport style works best for these light biters IMHO. Just keep it moving up and down faster then the sharkies.
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#695100 - 07/21/11 10:48 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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One of these days I'll get it all figured out, but I know that if I'm stuck fishing the salt...it better be mooching, and I'll get the spin worked out with slip or fixed leaders.
The bite feels the same either way. I'd rather Mooch than Troll,but will always take a slip as a first choice...beings they's versatile. Lots to be said for Mastery of the Hoonah Slow Roll,with a whole herring in a slip,pinned with a toothpick. Too time consuming and "fickle" for most,but most Fisherman don't catch most of the fish. Injun's do know some things.
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#695156 - 07/22/11 01:57 AM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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The Beav
Registered: 02/22/09
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Loc: Oregon Central Coast
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if you are fishing the wall off Tofino and are using whole horse herring you better have some slip leaders or your trailing hook will be half way up the herring. Hey... I'll be there next week...
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#695390 - 07/23/11 01:35 AM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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ExtenZe Field Tester
Registered: 11/10/09
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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Skip the slip ...
dont say I didnt warn ya. +1000 Solid tie + plugcut for me. It's easy to get a spin with a slider but it's a real bummer when you get whacked good and he doesn't stick. Reel in, herring's mangled (or gone) and your slider is down next to your bottom hook. You think crap, maybe I could have stuck him if the top hook was tied solid.
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#695398 - 07/23/11 09:15 AM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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Schweet
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Never thunk that.
Been times I wished I was driving solid tie,so I didn't have so many fish to clean though.
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#696639 - 07/29/11 03:29 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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The Chosen One
Registered: 02/09/00
Posts: 13951
Loc: Mitulaville
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Isn't that how outdoor writers do it? Go with guys that are good and then when write and publish an article, making us look like we invented the wheel?
It's a tried and true outdoor writers technique Fixe that quote for you.
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#696644 - 07/29/11 03:55 PM
Re: Mocching Leader Slip vs Solid and Spacing
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Reverend Tarpones
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Solid. 55 years actual expirence.
Edited by Dave Vedder (07/29/11 04:06 PM)
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