Where is the line drawn on self-defense? Young Trayvon was 5 inches taller than Zimmerman and probably more athletic. Maybe he had some fighting skills that some of his defenders don't have that he used to try and rip Zimmerman a new one. Ever think of that?

You are a riot Aboo Loo miss. Density doesn't even begin to
relate to you. I realize you can only generate a comment because
you hope to get a bit of attention, but keerist, get real.
In case you need to know, I suspect you are certifiably a micro-
cephalic.

is a microcephalic a dude that fVcks microwaves?

and Abu, just cuz you dont like it, dont mean that someone else wont.. kinda a dickish move on your part... both of ya

sorry, I didn't realize the term Micro Cephalic was obtuse. Perhaps
nipple noggin would have been more ap pro po.
Don't know about the menu A boob'. Last time I was in an old folks
home was the Vet's home in Orting. My uncle, a WW1 vet was there.
Pretty nice place to a juvenile's eyes.

Hank, I know you are being purposely dense, but I'll tell you one more time why he's a pussy, and this will be the last time.

He never would have chased down and confronted Trayvon, had he not been armed, because he's a pussy.

It's also hard to call it "self-defense" when you chase someone down and pick a fight.

I've known guys like that over the years...guys who start fights in bars and such, and when theyr'e about to get their asses kicked they tell the other guy they're going to call the cops...or, in Zimmerman's case, pull a gun.

Know what we called those guys?

Pussies.

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Todd

I dunno...but that's what a trial is for, to hear the evidence and divine the facts, as best the jury can.

The "picked a fight" part is going to be in contention...the "chased him down" part is right there in the 9-1-1 call.

The confrontation may or may not have been about race (it's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman wouldn't have likely chased down you or me, Hank, had we been walking around with Skittles, he was clearly looking for black guys, since that's what the thieves he had seen had been), but he obviously had decided that Trayvon was a thief with no evidence whatsoever except that he was black and was walking down the street.

After deciding that he was a thief, he then confronted him, and there's no question about that.

There was a struggle, and an innocent kid was killed by Zimmerman with a gun. Also not in contention.

That looks a lot like manslaughter right there, no matter what happened between chasing him down and shooting him...and if there is any evidence that Zimmerman started the fight, then it sounds like murder.

Looking forward to hearing some facts.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. He won't have to plea to manslaughter, or walk...juries can find lesser included charges from murder, and manslaughter would be there.

At this point, the "innocent kid" descriptor doesn't seem quite right.

I'm sure it doesn't...to you.

To the rest of the civilized world it is not suspicious to be walking down the street eating Skittles and drinking an iced tea, even if he is black.

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Todd

Todd spinning......a non-event.
kid, troubled young man, Treyvon, any number of others are descriptive, but "innocent kid" just doesn't work if you want to be objective.

Maybe the question to ask is, "Todd, would you volunteer to take Zimmerman's job?"

I know I would be grateful if I was one of those neighbors, considering the frequency of break-ins, knowing that someone was watching out for my place and packed the heat to protect "us".

I can hear it now though, "911? Hi, this is Todd again. I'm calling from a friend's phone. Mine is broken. About a half hour ago, I was calling the cops when the suspicious guy I was calling about attacked me. I barely got away. Good thing I had my phone to throw at him. No, sorry, I don't know what he looked like. He was wearing a hoodie. Hurry!"

First of all, you have seen my place....does it look or even seem like I would live in a gated community or anything similar? But you're welcome to come on by in the middle of the night and see whether or not my security is secure enough. If you can read and comply, you should be OK.....if you can't......well, I likely won't be very "neighborly".

I'm fine with neighborhood watch groups, I'm fine with a neighborhood captain doing it...but if some shitferbrains accosted one of my kids who was walking down the street with Skittles, I'd go tell him to stuff his gun up his a$$ and pull the trigger, and if he did pull his gun out, he better be ready to shoot it or I'd stick it up his a$$ for him and pull the trigger.

What if it was your kid walking thru one of his friend's neighborhoods and some dude who lives there and was the "block captain" chased him down and pulled a gun on him? Blame it on your kid for getting shot?

Yeah, right...

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Todd

I know that Zimmerman was following Martin, what constitutes chasing?

You are droll Todd. Maybe that's what Trayvon tried.

Bad judgement. Bullets have no fear.

There's no evidence at all about when he got his head bashed, if he got his head bashed, or when he shot Trayvon...

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Todd

Hank, that's a photo, that may or not be Zimmerman, that may or may not have been taken at the time, of injuries that may or may not have been caused by Trayvon..."evidence" is what will be admitted and/or proven at trial.

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Todd

That's different than the photo, which may not even be Zimmerman.

And...none of what you just listed has a whole helluva lot to do with justifiable homicide.

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Todd

If Zimmerman didn't exist he couldn't have pulled the trigger. Viola!
He exists. There is some straw clutching going on to support an opinion
that 'the poor kid and his skittles were victimized by Zimmerman.'
Guess we will have to wait and see.
I wonder where they will find a jury of Zimmerman's peers.

You have to reasonably think your life is in danger...which means that a reasonable person would conclude that your life is in danger...you don't get to decide that for yourself based on whatever standard you like.

You seem to be very skeptical about anything and everything that involves chasing Trayvon down and confronting him for no reason whatsoever, even when the 9-1-1 call confirms that it happened exactly that way, and also seem to accept wholeheartedly that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, was bashing his head into the ground, and that Zimmerman had to shoot him to save his own life, for which conclusion there is very little evidence at all save for Zimmerman's own story.

That brings me back to the very beginning of this argument, which is that folks are willing to make their minds up based on political beliefs rather than anything at all like facts or evidence.

The evidence will be presented to a jury, will be distilled down into relevant facts, and the law will be applied to them...then we will know what happened as well as possible.

Until then saying that Zimmerman was in fear for his life or was having his head bashed in is as reasonable or logical as saying spacemans did it.

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Todd

There is zero evidence that his life was in danger at all.

Fish on...

Todd