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#815191 - 01/14/13 10:29 PM Re: Best Colors for Muddy Water [Re: Salmo g.]
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Registered: 11/10/09
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Coley,

First off, I don't know, nor do I care enough to ask around. Reformed bait thugs I've known who became purists use flies tied only of natural materials, except for the steel hook. Silk thread, not nylon or kevlar, no tinsel, just natural fur, hair, feathers, in natural, not dyed colors. Not easy these days to tie a fly with no synthetic materials.

I heard Ed Ward (one of the originators) describe the Intruder as an engineered fly pattern, er lure. And Bantam's rendition can only be a more evolved edition.

AP,

5 stars fer sure!

Metaladdiction,

You can use whatever rod you wish. I know guys who claim to have cast Dick Nite spoons on their Spey rods, but none who have cast a RVRFSHR. The boundaries between fly fishing and conventional gear have been irrevocably erased with the invention of space age plastic rods and plastic fly lines. So just for chuckles I long ago defined fly fishing as limited to rods made from Tonkin cane or greenheart, lines of silk, leaders of drawn gut, and reels made in England. And with the popularity of dirty-azzed nymphing, that pretty much makes everyone a knuckle-dragging bait thug. That shouldn't offend anyone would it?

Sg

We always knew you were a roe juice-oozing, bait thug .

Can we get a spill boom over here ?


grin
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#815192 - 01/14/13 10:33 PM Re: Best Colors for Muddy Water [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
...with the popularity of dirty-azzed nymphing, that pretty much makes everyone a knuckle-dragging bait thug. That shouldn't offend anyone would it?

Sg


I'd say it would offend knuckle-dragging bait thugs to have those dirty-azzed nymphers lumped in with them.

Fish on...

Todd
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#815207 - 01/14/13 11:26 PM Re: Best Colors for Muddy Water [Re: ColeyG]
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Registered: 02/22/10
Posts: 440
Originally Posted By: ColeyG
Originally Posted By: metaladdiction

As am I. Although skirmishes on this sight can occasionally make for a great thread.


Dig up "Bantam's Skunktruder" from last winter if you haven't seen that one already. Five star skirmish!


Was just reading some of that thread. Classic stuff. 5 star for sure. Especially Stams stained horsehair rug which would no longer be useful for tying flies.

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#815217 - 01/15/13 12:14 AM Re: Best Colors for Muddy Water [Re: Jason Beezuz]
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Originally Posted By: Jason Beezy
You only worry about the definition of fly fishing if you are a "fly fisherman", which is to say you think yourself different from other fishermen in some way even though you aren't.


I decided to grab the buggy whip today just to notice that I forgot my waist pack containing my tips, leader material, spare hooks, etc etc.... Just to attempt a good fantasy of starting the new year with a wild fish on a local PS river with no luck.... Just an awesome day of getting to sweet run just to have a sled with 3 buggy whippers beat us into, hiking about 1/4 mile up from them just to fall on my ass on a ice patch, getting layed out flat on my back. After that sore, bruised and pissed off but continued on up another 1/4 mile until I felt this was good stretch to work. Just getting started to make my first cast and noticed from that fall i broke off a snake guide and its just not my day for buggy whippin....

Today was an epic fail...
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#815218 - 01/15/13 12:23 AM Re: Best Colors for Muddy Water [Re: Bantam]
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Registered: 11/20/08
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Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: Bantam
Just an awesome day of getting to sweet run just to have a sled with 3 buggy whippers beat us into,


The number one reason I have such a hard time buggy whipping nowadays is because all the buggy whipping water is occupied by too many buggy whippers. All my favorite runs on the Skagit are locked down all day by the same dudes it seems like. More buggy whipping sleds than ever makes the hike in spots especially heart breaking.

Ironically, I feel the reason I gear fish isn't to catch more fish but to have more water to myself. It opens up more places I can effectively use my time without being caught up in the river side flogging parade and have some guy mean mug me for low holing them after they stood in the same 10' for 2 hours as if anyone who knows what they are doing EVER would do that.
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#815264 - 01/15/13 11:41 AM Re: Best Colors for Muddy Water [Re: Jason Beezuz]
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Loc: AK
My 14' 9wt whips a RVRFSHR spoon out there pretty good Salmo.

For the record wink
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#815550 - 01/16/13 01:12 PM Re: Best Colors for Muddy Water [Re: ColeyG]
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Good to know? I'm glad it was you and not me conducting that experiment. When I want to huck RVRFSHRs I'll stick to my tried and proven $30 Daiwa spinning rod or yellow Eagle Claw coho chucker. Good to read some posts touting spoons for muddy water bait; I'd always thought of flashy lures as being best suited to water with decent visibility. I took the "any fly is good, as long as it's black" story hook, line, and sinker.

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#815565 - 01/16/13 01:52 PM Re: Best Colors for Muddy Water [Re: Salmo g.]
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My Waders are Moist

Registered: 11/20/08
Posts: 3440
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Good to read some posts touting spoons for muddy water bait; I'd always thought of flashy lures as being best suited to water with decent visibility. I took the "any fly is good, as long as it's black" story hook, line, and sinker.


The fish feel the thump in their face and they annihilate it. If there was a way to get that thump from a fly it would be the most popular fly ever.
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#815585 - 01/16/13 02:26 PM Re: Best Colors for Muddy Water [Re: Jason Beezuz]
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Registered: 03/26/08
Posts: 1257
Loc: The Rock
I've caught fish in colored water with spin glo's in pink/chart. I have to believe the action of the wings help in low vis.

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