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#854374 - 08/28/13 03:11 PM Re: Syria [Re: Todd]
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Looks like the dems are in the war business too...
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#854377 - 08/28/13 03:34 PM Re: Syria [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
Yeah, cuz we here in the US of A really require incontrovertible...and true...evidence before going in and spending a zillion dollars on defense contractor* toys and blowing them all up.

Fish on...

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* "defense contractor" is a euphimism for "campaign donor".


Don't forget our Russian friends. They have to sell "toys" too.

From today's Wall Street Journal,
An American military attack on Syria could begin as early as Thursday and will involve three days of missile strikes, according to "senior U.S. officials" talking to NBC News. The Washington Post has the bombing at "no more than two days," though long-range bombers could "possibly" join the missiles. "Factors weighing into the timing of any action include a desire to get it done before the president leaves for Russia next week," reports CNN, citing a "senior administration official."

and then the very next paragraph,
"The New York Times, quoting a Pentagon official, adds that "the initial target list has fewer than 50 sites, including air bases where Syria's Russian-made attack helicopters are deployed."

And this administration is worried about Snowden leaks???


Edited by BroodBuster (08/28/13 03:35 PM)
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#854379 - 08/28/13 03:53 PM Re: Syria [Re: BroodBuster]
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I don't think our government has ever given twoshits about leaks, or anything...the American people have deluded themselves for 200 years about what our goverment is, and what it does, and there is no evidence that it will stop doing so.

Ever.

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#854380 - 08/28/13 04:18 PM Re: Syria [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
Originally Posted By: Todd
Yeah, cuz we here in the US of A really require incontrovertible...and true...evidence before going in and spending a zillion dollars on defense contractor* toys and blowing them all up.

Fish on...

Todd

* "defense contractor" is a euphimism for "campaign donor".


Don't forget our Russian friends. They have to sell "toys" too.

From today's Wall Street Journal,
An American military attack on Syria could begin as early as Thursday and will involve three days of missile strikes, according to "senior U.S. officials" talking to NBC News. The Washington Post has the bombing at "no more than two days," though long-range bombers could "possibly" join the missiles. "Factors weighing into the timing of any action include a desire to get it done before the president leaves for Russia next week," reports CNN, citing a "senior administration official."

and then the very next paragraph,
"The New York Times, quoting a Pentagon official, adds that "the initial target list has fewer than 50 sites, including air bases where Syria's Russian-made attack helicopters are deployed."

And this administration is worried about Snowden leaks???



So is this a surprise attack?

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#854382 - 08/28/13 05:03 PM Re: Syria [Re: Illahee]
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Does it matter?

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#854383 - 08/28/13 05:04 PM Re: Syria [Re: Illahee]
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Shhhh. Don't tell anyone.
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#854387 - 08/28/13 05:44 PM Re: Syria [Re: Dogfish]
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This will be a lot like the surprise invasion of Mogadishu were the Marines stormed the beaches only to find entrenched CNN cameras smile
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#854511 - 08/29/13 03:10 PM Re: Syria [Re: ]
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#854517 - 08/29/13 03:54 PM Re: Syria [Re: Sky-Guy]
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What? Are you trying to tell me that the POTUS and indeed the entire US Gubmint is just a money funneling tool to turn tax dollars into yachts and condos for defense contractors?

You must really hate 'Merica.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...ions-mount.html

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#854547 - 08/29/13 06:19 PM Re: Syria [Re: ]
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I call that the "real welfare", and an evil welfare at that...employ people to build bombs and guns we don't need, spend a zillion tax dollars doing it, and to continue to support that welfare we have to go and blow people up fairly regularly.

'Merica.

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#854550 - 08/29/13 06:37 PM Re: Syria [Re: Todd]
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We have these neat little wars so we can justify making more munitions.
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#854551 - 08/29/13 06:40 PM Re: Syria [Re: Dogfish]
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Looks like the UK won't be helping us.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/E...-08-29-17-43-07
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#854558 - 08/29/13 07:00 PM Re: Syria [Re: JTD]
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Originally Posted By: JTD



Looks like the UK won't be helping us.


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/E...-08-29-17-43-07


Read that earlier today...and good. Fukk the MIC and their tax dollar stealing and people killing ways, and those who support it.

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#854568 - 08/29/13 07:41 PM Re: Syria [Re: ]
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We're always looking for an excuse to blow up a few billion dollars worth of bombs and missiles so we can build another few tens of billions of dollars worth and milk the taxpayers for them.

Our current excuse is "WMD's"...and if we were looking for WMD's in Iraq we didn't find any there, leastwise we didn't find any until we littered the entire country with spent uranium shells, which should count as WMD's by any definition.

I'm surprised the MIC hasn't found a way for us to justify bombing ourselves, and keep buying and building more missiles to do it.

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#854665 - 08/30/13 01:45 PM Re: Syria [Re: Todd]
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From the video description:

Respected 20 year Middle Eastern reporter and Associated Press, BBC and NPR correspondent Dale Gavrak was told by Syrian rebels that they were responsible for last week's chemical weapons incident in Ghouta.

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#854669 - 08/30/13 01:50 PM Re: Syria [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Shiot...we purposely went and attacked the completely wrong country for attacking us on 9/11...picking the wrong side, but in the right country, is a considerable step in the right direction.

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#854692 - 08/30/13 03:22 PM Re: Syria [Re: ]
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POINTLESS intervention... Perfect.


Isn't that a oxymoron with the added benefit of wasting tax payer's dollars and compromising foreign policy?





huh
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#854695 - 08/30/13 03:47 PM Re: Syria [Re: ]
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Bummer- I was hoping for some honesty as a step towards "change."
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#854711 - 08/30/13 06:13 PM Re: Syria [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
An Accidental War
Perfunctory and ineffectual war-making in Syria is worse than nothing.
By Mark Steyn

I see the Obama “reset” is going so swimmingly that the president is now threatening to go to war against a dictator who gassed his own people. Don’t worry, this isn’t anything like the dictator who gassed his own people that the discredited warmonger Bush spent 2002 and early 2003 staggering ever more punchily around the country inveighing against. The 2003 dictator who gassed his own people was the leader of the Baath Party of Iraq. The 2013 dictator who gassed his own people is the leader of the Baath Party of Syria. Whole other ball of wax. The administration’s ingenious plan is to lose this war in far less time than we usually take. In the unimprovable formulation of an unnamed official speaking to the Los Angeles Times, the White House is carefully calibrating a military action “just muscular enough not to get mocked.”

That would make a great caption for a Vanity Fair photo shoot of Obama gamboling in the surf at Martha’s Vineyard, but as a military strategy it’s not exactly Alexander the Great or the Duke of Wellington. And it’s trickier than it sounds: I’m sure Miley’s choreographer assured her she was “just muscular enough not to get mocked,” and one wouldn’t want to see the United States reduced to twerking arrhythmically to no avail in front of an unimpressed Bashar Assad’s Robin Thicke. Okay, okay, that metaphor’s as thinly stretched as Miley’s talent, so what does unmockable musculature boil down to? From the New York Times: “A wide range of officials characterize the action under consideration as ‘limited,’ perhaps lasting no more than a day or two.”

Yeah, I know, that’s what Edward III said about the Hundred Years’ War. But Obama seems to mean it:

An American official said that the initial target lists included fewer than 50 sites, including air bases where Syria’s Russian-made attack helicopters are. The list includes command and control centers as well as a variety of conventional military targets. Perhaps two to three missiles would be aimed at each site.

Got that? So, if you’re a Syrian air-base commander, you might want to think about moving those Russian helicopters, or at least yourself — perhaps to that black-eyed cutie’s apartment, above the restaurant where the kibbeh with the pomegranate sauce is to die for, just for the night, until the Great Satan has twerked his ordnance at you twice or thrice and gone away to threaten the Yemenis or Somalis or whoever’s next.

In the world’s most legalistic culture, it was perhaps inevitable that battle plans would eventually be treated under courtroom discovery rules and have to be disclosed to the other side in your pre-war statement. But in this case it doesn’t seem to be impressing anyone. Like his patrons in Tehran and Moscow, Assad’s reaction to American threats is to double up with laughter and say, “Bring it, twerkypants.” Headline from Friday’s Guardian in London: “Syria: ‘Napalm’ Bomb Dropped on School Playground, BBC Claims” — which, if true, suggests that even a blood-soaked mass murderer is not without a sense of humor. Napalm, eh? There’s a word I haven’t heard since, oh, 40 years ago or thereabouts, somewhere in the general vicinity of southeast Asia.

The BBC footage is grisly; the British media have been far more invested in the Syrian civil war than their U.S. colleagues. But what’s the net effect of all the harrowing human-interest stories? This week, David Cameron recalled Parliament from its summer recess to permit the people’s representatives to express their support for the impending attack. Instead, for the first time since the British defeat at Yorktown in 1782, the House of Commons voted to deny Her Majesty’s Government the use of force. Under the Obama “reset,” even the Coalition of the Willing is unwilling. “It’s clear to me that the British Parliament and the British people do not wish to see military action,” said the prime minister. So the Brits are out, and, if he goes at all, Obama will be waging war without even Austin Powers’s Union Jack fig leaf.

“This House will not fight for king and country”? Not exactly. What the British people are sick of, quite reasonably enough, is ineffectual warmongering, whether in the cause of Blairite liberal interventionism or of Bush’s big-power assertiveness. The problem with the American way of war is that, technologically, it can’t lose, but, in every other sense, it can’t win. No one in his right mind wants to get into a tank battle or a naval bombardment with the guys responsible for over 40 percent of the planet’s military expenditures. Which is why these days there aren’t a lot of tank battles. The consummate interventionist Robert Kagan wrote in his recent book that the American military “remains unmatched.” It’s unmatched in the sense that the only guy in town with a tennis racket isn’t going to be playing a lot of tennis matches. But the object of war, in Liddell Hart’s famous distillation, is not to destroy the enemy’s tanks (or Russian helicopters) but his will. And on that front America loses, always. The “unmatched” superpower cannot impose its will on Kabul kleptocrats, Pashtun goatherds, Egyptian generals, or Benghazi militia. There is no reason to believe Syria would be an exception to this rule. America’s inability to win ought to be a burning national question, but it’s not even being asked.

Let us stipulate that many of those war-weary masses are ignorant and myopic. But at a certain level they grasp something that their leaders don’t: For a quarter-century, from Kuwait to Kosovo to Kandahar, the civilized world has gone to war only in order to save or liberate Muslims. The Pentagon is little more than central dispatch for the U.S. military’s Muslim Fast Squad. And what do we have to show for it? Liberating Syria isn’t like liberating the Netherlands: In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy. Yes, those BBC images of schoolchildren with burning flesh are heart-rending. So we’ll get rid of Assad and install the local branch of al-Qaeda or the Muslim Brotherhood or whatever plucky neophyte democrat makes it to the presidential palace first — and then, instead of napalmed schoolyards, there will be, as in Egypt, burning Christian churches and women raped for going uncovered.

So what do we want in Syria? Obama can’t say, other than for him to look muscular without being mocked, like a camp bodybuilder admiring himself in the gym mirror.

Oh, well. If the British won’t be along for the ride, the French are apparently still in. What was the old gag from a decade ago during those interminable U.N. resolutions with Chirac saying “Non!” every time? Ah, yes: “Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordion.” Oddly enough, the worst setback for the Islamic imperialists in recent years has been President Hollande’s intervention in Mali, where, unlike the money-no-object Pentagon, the French troops had such undernourished supply lines that they had to hitch a ride to the war on C-17 transports from the Royal Air Force and Royal Canadian Air Force. And yet they won — insofar as anyone ever really wins on that benighted sod.

Meanwhile, the hyperpower is going to war because Obama wandered off prompter and accidentally made a threat. So he has to make good on it, or America will lose its credibility. But he only wants to make good on it in a perfunctory and ineffectual way. So America will lose its credibility anyway.

Maybe it’s time to learn the accordion . . .


rest assured nobody reads your copy paste drivel. just as you don't read anybody else's , Diva.




Edited by Jackson34 (08/30/13 06:15 PM)

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#854715 - 08/30/13 06:23 PM Re: Syria [Re: Jackson34]
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Any guess to who Jackson34 is the sock puppet of ? crazy
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