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#874467 - 12/09/13 07:57 PM U.S. Household wealth up 35% in last 5 years
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#874981 - 12/13/13 11:31 AM Re: U.S. Household wealth up 35% in last 5 years [Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
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The wealth of American households hit a nominal record of $77.3 trillion in the third quarter, according to data released this week by the Federal Reserve. The third-quarter household wealth number wasn’t a record on an inflation-adjusted basis but given the stock market’s rally since Sept. 30, it’s almost certainly at a record now. (Even with the record decline, the S&P 500 is still up about 5.6% in the fourth quarter.)

Given recent events such as the fast food workers strike, Occupy Google and ho-hum start to holiday shopping season (based on what retailers are saying vs. the government data) we were pleasantly surprised to hear Americans are doing so well. But digging into the numbers a little bit we couldn’t help be reminded of the “Really!?!” segments Seth Meyers and Amy Poehler made famous on SNL’s Weekend Update.

As in…Really? Household wealth is at a record high? You know what else is at a record — at least until very recently — The Dow Jones Industrial Average? That's one big reason why the data says Americans are richer. Oh, and by the way, the wealthiest 10% of U.S. households own about 80% of stocks.

You know what else is at a record? The number of people on Food Stamps! 47 million! Really!

No wonder most Americans aren't feeling very good about their finances these days. Nearly a-third of Americans believe we're still in a recession and 39% say the national economy is getting worse, according to a recent poll by American Research Group.

Really!?! As Lauren Lyster and I discuss in the accompanying video, it isn’t hard to imagine why...

Let's start with wages. Household net worth is now back to 2007 levels, meaning before the Great Recession. But in the same timeframe, wages have stagnated and real (i.e. inflation-adjusted) household income was down 6.1% in October 2013 from the median average of $55,686 in December 2007, according to Sentier Research.

The housing market's rebound is a big factor in household net worth. But more Americans are renting now — 35% last year vs. 31% in 2004 — and half of U.S. renters pay more than 30% or more of their income on rent, up a whopping 12 percentage points from a decade ago, according to Harvard's Joint Center for Housing Studies.

Consumers are also holding more debt besides mortgages, notably credit cards, auto loans and student loans, which are also at record levels - over $1 trillion.

So really Ben Bernanke, the next time your statisticians want to tell Americans their wealth is at a record high, make them include an asterisk that these records are really driven by the richest Americans. After all, they have most of the money!

And for the nearly 11 million Americans without a job and the 7.7 million more working part-time — but not by choice — please remember to thank the wealthiest among us for helping America achieve this new milestone.

Really!
Aaron Task is the host of The Daily Ticker and Editor-in-Chief of Yahoo Finance. You can follow him on Twitter at @aarontask or email him at altask@yahoo.com
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#874989 - 12/13/13 12:46 PM Re: U.S. Household wealth up 35% in last 5 years [Re: Us and Them]
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See, that whole wealth distribution thing matters in regard to understanding this sh!t.

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#874990 - 12/13/13 01:10 PM Re: U.S. Household wealth up 35% in last 5 years [Re: Salmo g.]
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Typical AP propaganda piece...they wouldn't dare break down the figures of WHO got wealthy and WHO didn't.
I would also bet they wouldnt be very quick to break out which contributing factors saw the largest annual increases or decreases. IMHO, the increases are artificial. Artificially induced increases in the stock market are likely the biggest contributing factor, and only to the wealthiest Americans on average.

However, when you use generic information and summarize all the data in the way the AP did, it makes for a really nice feel good piece that I'm certain the Obama administrations news reviewers would approve for publishing.
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#874998 - 12/13/13 01:57 PM Re: U.S. Household wealth up 35% in last 5 years [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Agreed SkyGuy.

Considering that the cost of virtually EVERYTHING has gone up at least 35% even if all households saw a 35% increase in their household wage they are still pocketing less money.
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#875005 - 12/13/13 02:52 PM Re: U.S. Household wealth up 35% in last 5 years [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
Typical AP propaganda piece...they


I'm assuming you are talking about the Associated Press and not me.

In fact, EVEN the Associated Press article did mention the distribution aspect of all this: "Still, the gains haven't been equally distributed. The wealthiest 10 percent of U.S. households own about 80 percent of stocks. And home ownership has declined since the recession, particularly among lower-income Americans."

My original point in posting this and including the "congrats" was entirely tongue-in-cheek. Obviously people are struggling yet the wealth numbers themselves aren't false (yes, you can argue that buying power is less although an argument that buying power is 35% less over the last 5 years is dubious). This wealth DOES exist but most haven't seen any of it. This all goes back to the distribution of wealth thread and my feeling that this IS a limit as to how far the gap can go before there is widespread social unrest.

And we're STILL going to be hearing that there is a a socialist plot to restribute of wealth from the rich to the middle/lower class. The reasons to dislike Obama's economic policies are exactly the OPPOSITE of that though. This is just more of the worst type of captalism where market efficiencies mean nothing compared to cronyism, market manipulation, and all sorts of mechnanisms that most of us would consider fraud.













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#875007 - 12/13/13 03:10 PM Re: U.S. Household wealth up 35% in last 5 years [Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
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Aaron I certainly was referring to the Associated Press, not you. And I think we all know your comment was TIC.... that's why everyone who has posted piled on in support. thumbs

Originally Posted By: APKD
And we're STILL going to be hearing that there is a a socialist plot to restribute of wealth from the rich to the middle/lower class. The reasons to dislike Obama's economic policies are exactly the OPPOSITE of that though. This is just more of the worst type of captalism where market efficiencies mean nothing compared to cronyism, market manipulation, and all sorts of mechnanisms that most of us would consider fraud.



Within the other 'Good Day for the Market' thread we had going, I never argued that it was time to get out of the market, my points were always in support of what you said above. The market is no longer driven by classic or legacy fundamentals. It is being driven by fraud, deceit, manipulation, and greed. That's primarily why I choose not to participate as a retail investor.





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#875018 - 12/13/13 03:46 PM Re: U.S. Household wealth up 35% in last 5 years [Re: Sky-Guy]
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