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#885955 - 02/17/14 10:49 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: stonefish]
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U Crappy Fishin' Son? rofl
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#885994 - 02/18/14 11:46 AM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: NickD90]
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Originally Posted By: NickD90
U Crappy Fishin' Son? rofl


Damn right Son! Crappie, Carp, Ditch Pickles...if it has fins I'll gladly take a cast at it. wink
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#885995 - 02/18/14 12:09 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: stonefish]
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Me too! wink

That popper design should put the hurt on the SRC's and any surface feeding warm water fish in the state. Nice, functional tie...
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#886058 - 02/18/14 06:09 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: ]
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I work a LOT and when I'm not working, I can be one lazy mofo. That's "where your feathers are"....

Patience...


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#886065 - 02/18/14 06:21 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: ]
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Dork side.
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#886070 - 02/18/14 06:43 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: ]
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A couple of semi Dork Side Intruder questions.
Preferred sting hook size?
I notice some folks tie them so the stinger is quite a ways back from the finished fly. Other tie the stinger in closer. Any advantage to either method?
That leads to the question of overall length. Any perferred overall length?
Thanks for your wisdom on these questions.
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#886137 - 02/18/14 11:30 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: ]
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stone layed some of mine out with a tape. Most of my flies end up between 3 to 4 inches.maybe slightly longer depending on wing length etc. The nice thing about intruder style flies is the ability to simply change out the hook. I usually start with a size 2 owner or gami octopus, but as season progresses and more nates show up I bump up to a 1 or even 1/0. I also use jewelers braided wire for the stinger. This keeps the hook straight out from the fly. No sagging and less of a chance of your material fouling. The bottom 2 on the left I intentially tied very sparce, however the rubber legs will flow back around the hook. If I see any fouling on the river, I can just trim them up a bit. Those may be some of the flies that look to have the hooks hanging way back. Take all this with a grain of salt though. This is only my 3rd winter swinging for steel and I have much to learn.

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#886138 - 02/18/14 11:52 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: metaladdiction]
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Metal,
Thanks for the length reference and the other info.
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#886139 - 02/18/14 11:55 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: ]
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Im running #1 gami octo hooks on the bigger fly's/winter patterns. I'm working on a batch for a buddy that will be quite a bit smaller than my normals. Which overall means shorter shank, lighter stinger wire and yes a smaller hook, most likey a #2 owner. Theres nothing worse than straightening a hook out on any fish.

Most of my personal ties for winter are roughly 2.5"-5". Anything above 3" ill run a #1, tho it really depends on the tie. If its a light and sparse 3." ill drop down to a #2.
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#886143 - 02/19/14 12:36 AM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: Bantam]
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Yep, seems like it's been said. 2.5" to 3" for the main body or bulk of an intruder style fly for normal conditions with the longer more swimmy materials extending another inch and change beyond that. For big or dirty water, a 4.5" or larger fly isn't overkill and it is good to have some of those in your arsenal. For low and clear, don't be afraid to drop down to the LBF (little black fly, 1.5" to 2") as I have seen it makes the difference on what could have otherwise been fishless days.

I am not afraid to fish a #4 for big fish in the right conditions and have landed more than one 20lb steelhead on them. That having been said I fish 2's most of the time, 1's in heavier water.

Nice quiver there metaladdiction. If it is not peach, pink or orange, it should be black smile
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#886161 - 02/19/14 09:52 AM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: ColeyG]
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Bantam & Coley,
Thanks for the additional info.
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#886181 - 02/19/14 01:08 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: stonefish]
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A few saltwater Gurglers.

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#886208 - 02/19/14 04:37 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: stonefish]
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Killer!

Is the hook an 811S?

That design in pink would make a pretty good looking Wog.
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#886211 - 02/19/14 04:45 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: ColeyG]
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811S indeed.
My favorite salt hook.
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#886279 - 02/20/14 01:10 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: ]
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Dang...that's a dandy right there. 150 - 175 pounds?
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#886295 - 02/20/14 03:33 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: ]
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Fukushima Herring right there.

Just an FYI. I've been looking for some different colored foam sheets for some stuff I want to tie. Colors were limited at the shops I looked at.
Make a quick stop into Michael's craft store today.
They have multi-color packages of 9" x 12" sheets on sale for $5.90.
40 sheets should last me a lifetime.
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#886297 - 02/20/14 04:05 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: ]
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Yes, there is a brownish color in the package.
Really bought it because I wanted the pink and red foam.
Perhaps we'll call this one the Tampon.
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#886393 - 02/20/14 11:11 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: stonefish]
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Pink Gurgler

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#886395 - 02/20/14 11:20 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: stonefish]
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That'll fish.

That foam material is also great for hopper patterns (see Brown Trout Damsel Fly Thread wink )


Edited by NickD90 (02/20/14 11:20 PM)
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#886399 - 02/20/14 11:36 PM Re: Tying Projects (Ironing the Ascot) [Re: NickD90]
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It wouldn't be too hard to get a coho to eat that pink gurgler. Looks like a nice miniwog. Again, nice innovation and use of materials!
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