#891518 - 04/10/14 08:27 PM
NOf is over
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Three Time Spawner
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lets here whats going to happen on the Chehalis and Hump this fall.. anyone in the know?
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#891519 - 04/10/14 08:30 PM
Re: NOf is over
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#891529 - 04/10/14 09:35 PM
Re: NOf is over
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Probably not what you want BUT its more than what's been available... http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/apr1014a/The quest for Chehalis and Willapa......draws near!!!!!!
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#892012 - 04/16/14 01:17 PM
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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GH update...
Still not set in stone because of the rule-making process, but proposed seasons will be going to the printers for the new rec pamphlet. Consider it a written public notice of the state's proposed season going forward in the rule-making process. Errata will be issued if there are changes after the CR 102/103 filings.
Compared to last years season, expect no chinook retention with generous WILD coho retention on the Chehalis side, and no WILD coho retention on the Hump side.
Other add-ons: A jack fishery in August is proposed, as well a marine 2-C fishery for early Hump chinook.
Take backs: This is completely new. Area 2-B is proposed to be closed for the bay fishery... no salmon trolling west of the JR marker for further conservation of Hump-origin WILD coho.
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#892034 - 04/16/14 03:19 PM
Re: NOf is over
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Three Time Spawner
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as well a marine 2-C fishery for early Hump chinook.
is this for NT nets or sports????
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#892036 - 04/16/14 03:38 PM
Re: NOf is over
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River Nutrients
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From Region 6
Greetings,
Sorry there hasn’t been much news from the North of Falcon front. Some of us are running on 3-4 straight weeks without a day off and have been working our rear ends off.
With regards to the Sport Fishing Pamphlet, I’ve indicated in the past that the North of Falcon and pamphlet process do not line up well with the APA process. To partially address that mis-match, WDFW will be moving the pamphlet to a July through June publication next year. Then the APA process will line up better with most salmon regulations, except spring chinook fisheries. In the meantime, we have a need to get the pamphlet to the printer this week. To that end, we have taken a shot at what we believe our CR-102 package for recreational fisheries will look like and put those into the Pamphlet. If at the conclusion of the APA process and public input, a recreational season is changed, we will address the change through an errata to Pamphlet.
We have a meeting scheduled with Quinault tribe tomorrow and hope to conclude our discussions with them. I don’t know whether I will have a chance to report to you after the meeting because I intend to take Friday off come hell or high water. I’ll try to get something out early next week.
With regards to the commercial seasons, Grays Harbor will hopefully come to some resolution in discussions with Quinault tomorrow. Willapa Bay will likely take a bit longer. We need to ensure we have carefully reviewed and considered the abundant public input before finalizing a proposal.
We have discussed the potential of an additional public meeting to present the Department’s proposals for Willapa Bay and Grays Harbor. At this time, I can’t give a potential date until I’m sure that we have a solid foundation for the commercial packages, which we don’t at this time.
I hope this helps bring everyone up to speed. I appreciate your patience as we work through the numerous issues.
Cheers.
Steve Thiesfeld Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife Region 6 Fish Program Manager 48 Devonshire Road, Montesano, WA 98563 Steven.Thiesfeld@dfw.wa.gov 360-249-1201
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#892043 - 04/16/14 04:12 PM
Re: NOf is over
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Dick Nipples
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GH update...
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Take backs: This is completely new. Area 2-B is proposed to be closed for the bay fishery... no salmon trolling west of the JR marker for further conservation of Hump-origin WILD coho. Is "2-B" the south side of MA 2-2...i.e., no fishing west of Johns River on the south side of the bay to protect Humptulips wild coho? That seems like a lot of water to close for pretty dubious benefits to Humptulips coho. Fish on... Todd
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#892085 - 04/16/14 08:21 PM
Re: NOf is over
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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2B or not 2B... that is the question.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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2B is the giant mixing bowl into which the fish first enter the otherwise legal waters of MA 2-2. Hump estuary 2C sits immediately north. 2D sits immediately east... basically the N ans S Chehalis channels and their convergence up to the S Aberdeen bridge.
State proposal for the marine fishery is 2C targeting Hump chinook BEFORE Sept 16 shifting to 2D targeting Chehalis coho AFTER Sept 15.
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#892087 - 04/16/14 09:03 PM
Re: NOf is over
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Dick Nipples
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Doc, can you post me up a map of those areas...I think I know where they all are but I can't find a definitive map online.
Thanks, I appreciate it!
Fish on...
Todd
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#892091 - 04/16/14 09:33 PM
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#892093 - 04/16/14 09:39 PM
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Dick Nipples
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Thanks, Doc.
That's what I thought...any idea how many Humptulips wild coho they expect to save by closing 2-B?
It looks to me like a lot of area and opportunity is closed and that the great majority of that area is unlikely to have many Humptulips coho in it.
Not really that big of a deal since so much of the good fishing is upstream of the Johns River mouth, but there are definitely some opportunities there that I'll miss.
Could be worse, I guess...they could close it from the creek down.
Fish on...
Todd
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#892095 - 04/16/14 09:47 PM
Re: NOf is over
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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.... no fishing west of Johns River on the south side of the bay to protect Humptulips wild coho?
That seems like a lot of water to close for pretty dubious benefits to Humptulips coho.
Fish on...
Todd I'll pose the question to staff about how many Hump coho will be saved in the model by implementing the 2B closure. Bet I'll be able to count 'em on one hand. The paucity of wild Hump coho will be drowned out by all the chinook and the $hitpile of Chehalis coho that are statistically much more likely to be encountered with sport gear in that fishery. Savings will be inconsequential to the Hump wild coho escapement.
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#892096 - 04/16/14 09:50 PM
Re: NOf is over
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Dick Nipples
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Yeah, that's exactly what I thought, too...a handful of fish, at best.
At least there will be no Chinook retention so there won't be 439 boats all packed in above the Johns River!
Hopefully those durn coho will make a better showing than they did last year!
Fish on...
Todd
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#892100 - 04/16/14 11:01 PM
Re: NOf is over
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River Nutrients
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Humptulips natural Coho....have not made escapement in 20 years....I'm thinking that with the WDFW Commission #1 goal...Conservation, that ANY wild Coho, that might be heading for the Humptulips NEED to be protected.
Model this, model that......pretty clear at the NOF meetings I attended, that the feelings, in general were to protect these fish. NT gillnetters hate it, keeps them out of 2C....as well it should.
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#892103 - 04/16/14 11:06 PM
Re: NOf is over
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Updated out of PFMC is Hump natural origin Coho will not make escapement with zero harvest. With the 2012 QIN seasons plumbed in the model it was about minus 1700. Really odd how everyone loves conservation as long as the other guy bears the brunt of it.
Edited by Rivrguy (04/16/14 11:07 PM)
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#892107 - 04/16/14 11:36 PM
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Dah Rivah Stinkah Pink Mastah
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everyone can deal with conservation if it makes sense. And if the QIN doesn't say foregone opportunity and "co-manage" the "extra" fish.
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#892210 - 04/17/14 08:28 PM
Re: NOf is over
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River Nutrients
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Bump...
Think the answer is coming...either 4/18 or early next week....Not everyone is "happy in river city"!!!!!
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#892241 - 04/18/14 12:57 AM
Re: NOf is over
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River Nutrients
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R6 Steve Theisfeld updating again on NOF: Hi Again, Unfortunately our meeting today with the Quinault Indian Nation representatives has been delayed. I wish we were making more progress finalizing seasons and I had hoped to report more progress by now. The discussions have been difficult to say the least with the new Grays Harbor policy creating some serious challenges for us. I’ve had some conversation with folks about the sport regulations. They should be online either tomorrow or Monday. I suspect they will be located on this page: http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulations/.Thank You!
Edited by Rivrguy (04/18/14 12:59 AM)
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#892304 - 04/18/14 05:38 PM
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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Been thinking hard about it. I can live with the 2B rec closure for conservation.
Timing of that marine fishery clearly coincides with run-timing of wild Hump coho. If 2B were to be open, it would have to include a "release wild coho" rule to lay off the Hump wilds.
Really NOT a big fan of releasing ANY estuary coho, hatch or wild, due to the obscene release mortality.
The other bad part is that it would be an enforcement nightmare to have diff bag limits/wild retention in 2B vs 2D.
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#892701 - 04/22/14 06:15 PM
Re: NOf is over
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Returning Adult
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Aug 16 to Nov 30, limit: three adults to Black River? I must have misread it. Going to re-read it again.
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